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Fed Off the Hook for the Housing Bubble?

Posted on 8/4/10 at 11:20 am
Posted by kfizzle85
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 11:20 am
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The Federal Reserve might have had less to do with the formation of the U.S. housing bubble than its critics claim.

Or so says a new National Bureau of Economic Research working paper "Can Cheap Credit Explain The Housing Boom," by Edward Glaeser, Joshua Gottlieb and Joseph Gyourko.

In a nutshell, the paper's authors find that low Fed interest rates could only explain about a fifth of the 53% rise in U.S. real housing prices in the decade to 2006. The authors also fail to find clear evidence that changes in mortgage approvals or loan-to-value levels were at fault either. In other words, easy credit wasn't at fault.

That won't come as a surprise to the Fed, which has routinely exonerated itself from blame.

Critics have long argued that the then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan's overly aggressive use of rate cuts to mitigate market problems, which climaxed with a "lower for longer" policy in the wake of the 2001 tech and telecom bust, created an environment in which sequential asset bubbles were bound to form. First it was equities, then it was property.

What's more, Fed funds rates were well below where they should have been during the peak of the housing boom, as determined by Taylor rule calculations. The Taylor rule calculates where official interest rates should be relative to the difference between target and actual inflation rates and between actual GDP growth and potential GDP growth.

So if the Fed and the banks weren't at fault, who was?

Yale professor Robert Shiller produced research in the midst of the housing bubble that showed home buyers were egregiously too optimistic about where house prices were heading. But that just raises another question, writes Glaeser, Gottlieb and Gyourko: why were buyers so irrationally exuberant?

They provide no answers. As for the Fed, Alan Greenspan and current Chairman Ben Bernanke have consistently blamed global imbalances, which is to say a not too subtly pointed finger in the direction of China. Not only did excess Asian savings drive down market interest rates but also created expectations of permanently low interest rates.

What no one argues, however, is the Fed's role in creating an environment of moral hazard. Any and all corrections under Mr. Greenspan's tenure were met with enormous supplies of central bank liquidity. Wall Street was always and continually bailed out. This feeling of the giant asset safety net undoubtedly filtered through to Main Street as well. Mistakenly as it seems, since only the bankers routinely get off scot free.

The Fed is undoubtedly more culpable than the reports authors argue. Perhaps future papers will investigate the central bank's role in the culture of risk.


[LINK]

Not buying this at all.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 2:22 pm to
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Not buying this at all.


Please explain. Do you consider that the research paper lacks credibility or do you think that the Fed and banks were more culpable than portrayed by the researchers?
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/4/10 at 3:00 pm to
I didn't read the paper, but I think the low-interest rate policy played an enormous part in fueling the housing bubble, and I don't see how a paper that purports to deny that fact, without presenting an alternative hypothesis, can be worth much.
Posted by LeonPhelps
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 4:22 pm to
I think 1/5 of the rise is significant but not enough. Cheap money was the foundation for the entire house of cards. So even if it was only 1/5 the rest of the bubble couldn't exist without it. If that makes sense.

Some of the other 4/5s relates to an entire section of the book store reserved for real estate (meaning everyone and their brother was real estate experts), politicians thinking it was a right to own a home and not a privilege and ratings agencies thinking real estate would always go up which allowed for the bundling of bad mortgages.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 4:40 pm to
Completely agree.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26570 posts
Posted on 8/4/10 at 4:49 pm to
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but I think the low-interest rate policy played an enormous part in fueling the housing bubble.


Sure the Fed should take some blame for implementing it, but ultimately the housing bubble occurred consumers were irrational.

For instance, look at the ridiculous spike in the ratio of income vs. housing costs.



You're really going to contribute that 65 percent bubble to a two-point reduction in interest rates?
This post was edited on 8/4/10 at 4:51 pm
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:02 pm to
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You're really going to contribute that 65 percent bubble to a two-point reduction in interest rates?


To you it might only represent a two point reduction, whereas in reality it represents close to a 30% reduction from a more historically representative rate of 7% or higher. You also are not giving credit to ARM's and pay option mortgages with teaser rates of 2.5-3% for 5-years. Do the multiplier to see how much more house someone could buy utilizing these easy credit terms versus a traditional 7-8% fixed rate 30-yr mortgage.

Still has to be excess demand to create and drive a bubble, but the low rate scenario had to have a much higher enabling effect than what that paper purports. I would also say lack of ethics/morals were strong contributors as well.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/4/10 at 5:16 pm to
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You're really going to contribute that 65 percent bubble to a two-point reduction in interest rates?


All of it? No, see what LeonPhelps said. You got a better explanation? I've yet to see any convincing argument that it didn't.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26570 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:36 am to
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You got a better explanation? I've yet to see any convincing argument that it didn't.


I'm saying it's more about the consumer's distorted perception of the benefits associated with lower interest rates than it is the lower interest rates itself.

Again, look at how much extra people were willing to spend as a ratio to their household income. It's because of irrational exuberance.
Posted by Ex Tirpate
Member since Aug 2010
6 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:45 am to
No housing bubble if people, especially traditionally unqualified deals, can't get money to buy housing.

Oh, and hai!
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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26570 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:46 am to
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Ex Tirpate


quote:

1 post


hmmmmmmmm
Posted by Ex Tirpate
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:51 am to
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3 posts


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time lurker. Stealth participant.

Just welcome me, ok?
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 9:56 am
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4866 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:40 am to
Starting in 2000 and ending in 2004, look at the trend of initial interest rates on one year ARMs. From 7.25 to 3.25%.







Now look at where the actual values start to really separate from the linearized values.






Interest rates were responsible for getting the bubble started.

In my opinion, people's utter foolishness was responsible for keeping it going.

Edited to include part of an article that mentions the study you refer to...

quote:

Of course I am not suggesting that the tech bubble bursting caused the housing boom. GGG find only about 20% of the boom is explainable via interest rates, and the tech bubble bursting is just one of many variables that can affect real interest rates. High Asian savings rates are another factor, and Fed policy is a third. However, the liquidity effect is less significant than usually assumed, as interest rate changes far more often reflect economic conditions than exogenous changes in Fed policy. So even if low interest rates had caused the housing boom, you would still not be able to claim that a Fed easy money policy contributed to the housing boom.


LINK to full article.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 10:44 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27813 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:47 pm to
If interest rates created the bubble, wouldn't the new record lowes over the recent period be creating a new bubble?
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4866 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 4:57 pm to
Unlike the 2000's, I don't think as many people are able/willing to play fast and loose with their mortgage.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:15 pm to
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If interest rates created the bubble, wouldn't the new record lowes over the recent period be creating a new bubble?



I mean that's basically the crux of the policy, yes, to reflate housing prices. The difference is that the rest of the economy is in neutral right now, that wasn't the case in 99-05. Couple that with better/tighter lending standards and global de-leveraging, and you get exactly what we currently have, a flat housing market and a flat economy.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:21 pm to
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Interest rates were responsible for getting the bubble started.

In my opinion, people's utter foolishness was responsible for keeping it going.



I'm not discounting the "utter foolishness" part of the equation, I'm just saying, even that was ignited by something, and that was interest rates and/or lax lending standards. IMO lax lending standards in and of themselves were borne out of cheap money to begin with, so you can effectively trace most of the debt bubble (no reason to confine it to just housing, although I realize that's the OP) back to low interest rates. I'm not trying to oversimplify it and say its the singular reason, just that it inadvertently/indirectly caused or helped cause the majority of the other events that directly contributed to the bubble.
Posted by tygerstripes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
3391 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:40 pm to
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lax lending standards


#1 reason.


Regardless of rates, if the lending standards were not reduced due to government wrist twisting the situation would not be as bad as it is today.

We had so many criminals caught up in the real estate pump from lenders to appraisers to bankers and politicians the consumer never had a chance.
Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:47 pm to
Cheap money (low interest rates) fueled lax lending standards, so again, it all goes back to low interest rates for an extended period of time. LPhelps said it best; there was a series of things that occurred that caused the bubble, but they all invariably trace back to interest rate policy in some form or fashion.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4866 posts
Posted on 8/5/10 at 5:50 pm to
I agree.

On the first graph, the rate on 1 year ARMs rises sharply from '04 to '06, concurrent with the steepest slope on the increasing side of the price trend. It was during this period that I believe people lost touch with reality more than at any other time.

People had access to cheap money like never before so they bought crap (including houses) like never before.
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