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Employer provided health insurance

Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:27 am
Posted by gamemc
Member since Jan 2013
913 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 11:27 am
What are the pros/cons of an employer provided plan from a tax point of view?

If the employer paid 100%, would that somewhat be like tax-free money for the employee (assuming the employee is going to pay for insurance anyway)? Does the employer pay taxes on the amount they pay or is that deductible?

Hopefully this isn't confusing. I'm trying to pitch an idea to my company to pay 100% of our healthcare .
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37003 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:09 pm to
The cost of premiums paid by the employer are deductible to the company, are not considered compensation (thus not subject to payroll tax) and are not taxable to the employee.
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8486 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:29 pm to
As a prospective employee, paid health insurance is a big benefit and something that could possibly be the swing vote between companies.

Company A- $50,000 salary and full benefits paid by the company

Company B- $55,000 salary and no benefits

If it's me, I'm leaning heavily towards A, all other things equal.

ETA: I got carried away and chose the wrong Company in my own damn scenario....
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:58 pm
Posted by MyNameIsInigoMontoya
Woodlands
Member since Oct 2012
585 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

If it's me, I'm leaning heavily towards B, all other things equal.


B?? I would lean VERY heavily towards A. Health insurance alone would be more than the $5k salary increase.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:45 pm to
quote:

Hopefully this isn't confusing. I'm trying to pitch an idea to my company to pay 100% of our healthcare .

Good luck. I can't think of a single company paying 100% of health costs....almost EVERY business requires an employee to share in the costs. At some companies, your cost share % is pegged to your salary level: lower salaried employees pay a smaller share than more highly compensated workers. Even companies that historically paid ALL of the health costs have begun to require cost sharing by employees as health costs have spiraled out of control. Especially if your group of employees is old, sickly, full of chronic conditions, or frequently having premature babies (which are hugely expensive), group plan increases have been 10-15% annually in recent years.

Where my employer health plan sucks is in adding spouse/family to the plan. The first person added is stupidly expensive (my better half's private BCBS plan is cheaper than adding him to my health plan), it bumps up incrementally for 2-4 people, but if you add more than 4, the price no longer increases. WFT?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51228 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

I can't think of a single company paying 100% of health costs


I'm fortunate, my health insurance is 100% covered by my employer (small business, <50 employees). However, if I want to add anybody in my family, it'd be absolutely insanely crazy expensive.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:52 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37003 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

I'm fortunate, my health insurance is 100% covered by my employer (small business, <50 employees). However, if I want to add anybody in my family, it'd be absolutely insanely crazy expensive.


My company does not pay 100 percent, but it's very, very close. However, they do not pay a dime toward dependents.
Posted by kennypowers816
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2443 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

I'm fortunate, my health insurance is 100% covered by my employer (small business, <50 employees). However, if I want to add anybody in my family, it'd be absolutely insanely crazy expensive.



This is my wife's situation. Great for her. Not great for me. My company just came out with a high deductible plan & HSA combo this year though so I'm enjoying that better than the previous plan.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 3:30 pm to
Adding my wife to my plan would make my insurance go up 4x
Posted by gamemc
Member since Jan 2013
913 posts
Posted on 6/4/15 at 4:34 pm to
My company has <25 employees. They pay 50% for me and 0% for dependents.

I wouldn't expect them to pay for my wife and kids but it just seems like paying 100% instead of 50% would be much more beneficial than giving a raise since it's tax "free" to the Employee at least.

I'm sure every employee in my company has increased their salary by more than $2500/year and that's about what it would cost them to pay an additional 50% for each employee on my plan.

I dunno it just seems logical to me.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97608 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 6:21 am to
quote:

Good luck. I can't think of a single company paying 100% of health costs...
My company pays 100% of my health, vision, dental, and life. Also pay a large portion of spouse and kids.

I work for a great company though
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 7:07 am to
My company pays dependent upon your salary. When I made less than I think 80k and was single, it was stupid cheap. Like 20 bucks a month. Then every income bracket (company defined and I dont know what they are other than the 80k bracket) bumps you into being responsible for a little bit more of the share. Add in a stay at home mom and a little boy, and now I pay $350 a month . I miss the old days.
Posted by gamemc
Member since Jan 2013
913 posts
Posted on 6/5/15 at 8:45 am to
I was paying $200/mo. Added wife and the twins and now I pay $720.

It's rough but it has paid for itself already with a 5-week NICU stay (the bill was around $300k for two babies).
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4079 posts
Posted on 6/7/15 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

My company just came out with a high deductible plan & HSA combo this year though so I'm enjoying that better than the previous plan.


The company I'm with now went to a choice of high deductible offerings about a year ago. For single coverage, once the various discounts are applied, I have no out of pocket premium. And the company places an amount annually in an HSA. I'm personally using the HSA as another tax friendly savings vehicle that I can max out ($3300 +/- per year). Net-net, I seem to be better off, compared to the old 80/20 BC/BS plan, with a premium and a modest deductible. But until I hit $4 grand, I basically have no coverage for medical care or prescriptions. Though if I'm not mistaken, the nanny state overseers have mandated that birth control for women must not have any sort of copay. But for diabetes or blood pressure, etc., you seem to be on your own. Wonder if Bruce Jenner's seemingly rash decision *may* have been insurance related?
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35472 posts
Posted on 6/7/15 at 4:09 pm to
Currently I pay 100% of the healthcare for my employees.

However, we are expanding the company and will have to discontinue this practice at some point.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 6/7/15 at 5:10 pm to
We have a different kind of deal of our employees and it works great.

We pay $450 a month toward their health insurance. They buy it on their own and buy as much or as little as they want and bring us a receipt and we pay up to $450.

We like it because most employees can but it cheaper than we can buy it in a group. (It is a myth group plans are less because groups have to take on unknown risks.) Employees like them because they own the policy.

$450 will usually cover all of the employee if he gets a plan with some deductibles.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 6/7/15 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

quote:
Good luck. I can't think of a single company paying 100% of health costs...
My company pays 100% of my health, vision, dental, and life. Also pay a large portion of spouse and kids.

I work for a great company though


Have they said anything about eliminating this benefit due to the Cadillac tax?
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97608 posts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 6:48 am to
No we are not eliminating this benefit.
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