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Dependent Care FSA

Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:29 am
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:29 am
I have the option to put money in a dependent care FSA. My wife and I both earn good salaries (relatively).

We are expecting our first child right at the end of this year. It's currently open enrollment for my company and I had never considered the tax benefits of the FSA. Now it has me wondering if I should go that route.

We will be putting our child in daycare. And we'd max out the $5,000/year. So there's no much concern over the 'use it or lose it' restriction of the account.

What say the Money Talkers? Good idea? Bad idea? What am I overlooking? What questions should I be asking myself?

Thanks!!
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:36 am to
Do you like paying less taxes?
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:39 am to


Yes. Of course. But am I missing anything here? Seems too good to be true. Seems like most of the time, when there is a way to save on taxes there are some income limitations that preclude me from participating.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:43 am to
Great idea. I did it for both of my kids when they were in nursery school. You just need to ask how it works - will they give you a card (and will your preschool accept the card) or will they reimburse you?

For first kid, we got a card, but the preschool had tons of issues using the card. So we just got rid of it. We just ended up getting reimbursed. Now that's a bit of a cash flow issue, because the money comes out your check, then you still have to pay the preschool, and then get reimbursed. But the reimbursement only took a couple of days, and we saved about $1500 per year in income taxes (federal was about 1300, and when we moved back to LA, another 200 in state taxes).

With one kid, you won't be able to get the child care tax credit, but the dependent care FSA is a better deal.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:44 am to
quote:

Seems like most of the time, when there is a way to save on taxes there are some income limitations that preclude me from participating.


It dovetails of the medical FSA rules, so there are no income limitations.

Every once in a while, the tax writers get one right.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 8:59 am to
We use it. One issue is that I put money in each month, but it's not enough to cover the whole bill for that month. So we let the account build up the first six months, then we're going to use that account to pay the second half. Well, we forgot....haha. good thing is daycare refunded our credit card and just took a lump sum from the FSA
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12357 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:03 am to
Absolutely do it. You'll spend way over $5,000/year in daycare so it's a no brainer to save on those taxes on the front end. You can get a 20% tax credit on what you spend over $5,000/year up to a certain amount.

As others said, it could present a cash flow issue if you have to get reimbursed, but if you can manage it and just let it accumulate in the FSA and get reimbursed $5,000 at the end of the year, it helps with Christmas/trips wherever you need it.

I wish they'd raise that $5,000 limit to $10,000. Anybody with 2 kids paying full time daycare blows that $5,000 out of the water.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:17 am to
Does this work in conjunction with or instead of the childcare tax credit?

If I pay, for instance, $7,000 for daycare and I put $5,000 into the FSA can I apply the other $2,000 to the childcare tax credit?
Posted by Shenanigans
Spring Hill, TN
Member since Nov 2012
2394 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:20 am to
Okay, so stupid question, but my son is 3 and goes to a private school that starts at age 2 and goes through 12th grade in which I pay $8800 between tuition + after school care, and then I pay another $1600 for summer camp. I should be using the dependent care FSA through my employer for sure?
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:25 am to
quote:

Does this work in conjunction with or instead of the childcare tax credit?

If I pay, for instance, $7,000 for daycare and I put $5,000 into the FSA can I apply the other $2,000 to the childcare tax credit?


The way I interpret it, yes. But obviously I'm not well-versed in this yet. I'll defer to one of our resident experts.
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
12604 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:29 am to
This is an explanation I read this morning:

quote:

Your qualified dependents for a Dependent Care FSA may include:

Your child(ren) under age 13.
Dependents of any age who are mentally or physically incapable of caring for themselves, and whom you claim as a dependent on your federal income tax return.
An adult may qualify as your dependent if you provide more than half that person’s maintenance costs during the year.
Expenses for care of a qualified dependent are only eligible if the care enables you (or you and your spouse) to work, look for work, or go to school full-time. If your spouse is a stay-at-home mom or dad, you cannot participate in Dependent care FSAs.


Eligible expenses include:

Fees for licensed day care or adult care facilities.
Amounts paid for services (including babysitters or nursery school) – provided in or outside of your home – for the care of a qualified dependent necessary to allow you and your spouse to work, look for work, or attend school full-time.
Placement fees for a dependent care provider, such as an au pair.
Summer day camp for children under age 13 qualifies if attendance allows you and your spouse to work, look for work, or for your spouse to attend school full-time.
Before and after school care programs for dependents under age 13.
Payment to a relative (age 19 or older who is not your dependent) who cares for your qualified dependent.
Payment to a housekeeper whose duties also include dependent day care.


Expenses that are NOT eligible for Dependent Care FSA payment include:

Baby-sitter in or out of your home for reasons other than to enable you to work.
Food, clothing, and entertainment.
Child support payments.
Activity fees and educational supplies.
Overnight camp.
Cleaning and cooking services not provided by a caregiver.
Late Payment Fees.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:51 am to
quote:

If I pay, for instance, $7,000 for daycare and I put $5,000 into the FSA can I apply the other $2,000 to the childcare tax credit?


It depends. The $5,000 FSA limit is per family, regardless of how many kids.

The child care tax credit is based off of $3,000 in expenses per kid, with a max of $6,000 per family.

So the upshot is this:

1 kid, max out FSA - no child care credit.
2 kids, max out FSA, at least $3,000 per kid - you can use $1,000 in expenses to figure the child care credit.

Also, keep in mind that both the dependent FSA and the child tax credit blow up if you are married and one spouse doesn't have earned income.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 9:53 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:53 am to
quote:

Okay, so stupid question, but my son is 3 and goes to a private school that starts at age 2 and goes through 12th grade in which I pay $8800 between tuition + after school care, and then I pay another $1600 for summer camp. I should be using the dependent care FSA through my employer for sure?


Absolutely. Until kindergarten, you can run $5000 of that tuition through the FSA.

Once he hits kinder, you can no longer run the tuition through there, but you can run after school care and summer camp until he turns 13.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 9:59 am to
Well, fortunately (kid #2 arrives next year) and unfortunately (that $7k will be more like $14k next year ) I'll be able to take advantage of both it seems.


Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:23 am to
quote:

I wish they'd raise that $5,000 limit to $10,000. Anybody with 2 kids paying full time daycare blows that $5,000 out of the water.


2 kids? 1 kid usually blows that out of the water.
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12357 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:29 am to
quote:

2 kids? 1 kid usually blows that out of the water.


No question. It's just asinine once you get past 1 kid.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5538 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:38 am to
I was trying to figure all of this out the other day and came to 0 conclusion.

Daughter 1 is in daycare, it's about $9,000 a year.
Daughter 2 arrived in Sept 16, so we can claim 2 kiddos.
Next year both daughters will be in daycare, and I will cry a lot.

I put 5k into FSA this year.

I should be able to benefit from both the FSA and the tax credit right?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37007 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:30 am to
You should be able to use up the entire 5K FSA, and use an additional 1K of spending towards the child care credit. Assuming you are like most people and are at the 20% credit rate, you would get a credit of $200.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
5538 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

you would get a credit of $200.


Book the cruise!!!!

9k in child care this year, and 18k next year, and that's what I get.

Thanks Obama.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
9928 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:40 pm to


That's on top of the $5,000 deduction you get from the FSA.
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