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Can you give real estate to another family member?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:54 pm
Assuming the property is paid off. Is this legal and how much would the transfer of ownership cost at closing?
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:55 pm to PeteRose
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Can you give real estate to another family member?
Ummmmmm, yeah.
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Assuming the property is paid off.
Irrelevant to your question
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Is this legal
Yes
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how much would the transfer of ownership cost at closing?
Depends, consult a real estate attorney. Lot of variables to give you a set answer.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:57 pm to PeteRose
You could "sell" it to them and close as quickly as the title company can exchange title work. That sale price can be whatever you decide it should be.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:57 pm to PeteRose
my mother dealt with this a few years ago with her parents. And it turned out to be such a hassle that they elected to wait and they included it in the will. But I am sure it varies by state.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 4:58 pm to PeteRose
Closing costs should be less than $1,000
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:02 pm to PeteRose
You'll have to pay a gift tax if it exceeds a certain amount...last time I looked it was on the value over $14k but it goes up every year so I'm sure it's higher now.
Decide to use the google:
LINK
I was right on the number but wrong about it having gone up.
Decide to use the google:
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The annual exclusion for 2014 and 2015 is $14,000.
LINK
I was right on the number but wrong about it having gone up.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:11 pm to cwill
quote:Pretty sure that just deducts from your lifetime gift donation of like $5m. So if the home value is 314,000. You get the 14,000 exemption for the year, and then the remaining 300,000 goes against the $5m lifetime exemption. So you'll only be able to donate another $4.7m to that person before actual taxes need to be paid. (These figures are just an example. Not accurate.)
You'll have to pay a gift tax if it exceeds a certain amount...last time I looked it was on the value over $14k but it goes up every year so I'm sure it's higher now.
Decide to use the google:
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The annual exclusion for 2014 and 2015 is $14,000.
Someone will have to correct me if any of this is wrong.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:12 pm to jturn17
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Pretty sure that just deducts from your lifetime gift donation of like $5m. So if the home value is 314,000. You get the 14,000 exemption for the year, and then the remaining 300,000 goes against the $5m lifetime exemption. So you'll only be able to donate another $4.7m to that person before actual taxes need to be paid. (These figures are just an example. Not accurate.)
Someone will have to correct me if any of this is wrong.
I think your answer is more accurate.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:27 pm to TigerDeacon
I'm 60/40 certain that's not accurate. Like I said, it has been a while since I looked at this stuff, but I never recall anything being deducted from your Estate Tax exemption.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:32 pm to cwill
I used google again and I'm right since we're talking about a single gift and not a lifetime gift (or maybe I'm wrong in that I don't fully understand what the OP is proposing):
LINK
ETA: To the OP, before you do anything talk to your accountant or a tax attorney first to make sure you do the transfer in a manner that has the smallest tax consequence.
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The gift tax is tied to the estate tax, so the inflation indexing helps the wealthy make the most of tax-free lifetime giving too. You can make the gifts during your lifetime; just you have to keep track of them as they count against the eventual estate tax exemption amount. In other words, you can’t double dip. So a woman who set up a trust for her kids with $5 million a few years ago could make new gifts to add to the trust and bring it up to the $5.43 million amount. A husband and wife each get their own exemption. So a couple will be able to give away $10.86 million tax-free in 2015 (assuming they haven’t made prior lifetime gifts).
Totally separate from the lifetime gift exemption amount is the annual gift tax exclusion amount. It’s $14,000 for 2015, the same as 2014, up from $13,000 a year in 2013. You can give away $14,000 to as many individuals as you’d like. A husband and wife can each make $14,000 gifts. So a couple could make $14,000 gifts to each of their four grandchildren, for a total of $112,000. The annual exclusion gifts don’t count towards the lifetime gift exemption.
LINK
ETA: To the OP, before you do anything talk to your accountant or a tax attorney first to make sure you do the transfer in a manner that has the smallest tax consequence.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:37 pm to cwill
I think you're confusing yourself. They're saying it's separate in that the $14k a year isn't included in the $5.43m. You can give 14k a year plus 5.43m over your lifetime. But if you give over 14k in any given year the remainder is deducted from the 5.43m.
If an actual CPA wants to tell me I'm dumb, I'm more than happy to accept that I'm wrong. But that's my understanding.
LINK to a decently easy to understand explanation.
If an actual CPA wants to tell me I'm dumb, I'm more than happy to accept that I'm wrong. But that's my understanding.
LINK to a decently easy to understand explanation.
quote:Always. Never trust a random poster on a website.
ETA: To the OP, before you do anything talk to your accountant or a tax attorney first to make sure you do the transfer in a manner that has the smallest tax consequence.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 5/21/15 at 5:44 pm to jturn17
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jturn17
You pretty much got it. You get the house appraised, the gift is at the appraisal value. If the gift exceeds the annual exclusion of 14K (per person, per giver) then the excess goes against your lifetime exemption. You have a combined lifetime-gift / estate exemption.
You are supposed to file a gift tax return if you use up any of your lifetime exemption.
Otherwise, it's pretty simple. You get an attorney to draft up all the documents (it's called a donation in Louisiana, and a gift in most other states). There is a "closing" where the documents are signed. You pay whatever government fees there are to record the transfer since it's real property. You pay the attorney.
Now, if you are doing this to try to look poor for government programs, there are some issues here.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 6:24 pm to PeteRose
Are you just transfering title?
If so you just need a quitclaim deed and then record it at the county
Im sure you can get a quitclaim and fill it out online. Just need it notarized
Costs $50 and list it as a gift of equity and there shouldn't be a tax
If so you just need a quitclaim deed and then record it at the county
Im sure you can get a quitclaim and fill it out online. Just need it notarized
Costs $50 and list it as a gift of equity and there shouldn't be a tax
Posted on 5/21/15 at 7:45 pm to Grits N Shrimp
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You could "sell" it to them and close as quickly as the title company can exchange title work. That sale price can be whatever you decide it should be.
This isn't true.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:18 pm to Grits N Shrimp
quote:Selling property to a related party is often a mistake. The sale price establishes the basis, and the beginning of the holding period for the buyer. So a sale for less than the seller paid for the property results in a nondeductible loss for the seller, and more potential gain for the buyer. Gifted property retains the basis and holding period of the donor.
You could "sell" it to them and close as quickly as the title company can exchange title work. That sale price can be whatever you decide it should be.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:23 pm to jturn17
I stand corrected, not my line of work, hence the caveats not to trust me!
Posted on 5/22/15 at 7:23 am to SDVTiger
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Are you just transfering title? If so you just need a quitclaim deed and then record it at the county Im sure you can get a quitclaim and fill it out online. Just need it notarized Costs $50 and list it as a gift of equity and there shouldn't be a tax
Nah man. It would still be a "disguised donation". You can still utilize one year's worth of annual exclusion (husband and wife can donate $14k + $14k= $28k). Also, if it is going to you AND a spouse, you can get another exclusion (meaning $28k + $28k= $56k). Any value over that could either be taxed via gift tax, or you could take it off of the donor(s)'s lifetime exclusion. Husband and wife essentially have 2 lifetimes (over $10mil).
You can just phone it in and make a sale for $1.00, but like every tax problem, if you get audited, you get spanked.
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