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Boards opinion on index vs managed
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:09 pm
I'm trying to decide if my index approach is right. I currently just have the big three from vanguard in our iras. Total bond/total stock/total international.
Are there any vanguard managed funds that people here feel are better. I think I just naturally seek info from sources that will be keen to indexing so I'm wondering what the consensus is on this board.
Are there four equity managed funds I should look at (large/mid/small/international)?
Are there any vanguard managed funds that people here feel are better. I think I just naturally seek info from sources that will be keen to indexing so I'm wondering what the consensus is on this board.
Are there four equity managed funds I should look at (large/mid/small/international)?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:11 pm to ragacamps
Index. Managed funds just don't beat the market enough after fees.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:17 pm to lynxcat
Index
And you can do some ETFs if you like.
My favorites is QQQ....Technology
And you can do some ETFs if you like.
My favorites is QQQ....Technology
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:19 pm to ragacamps
I know it's counter intuitive but a broad market index fund beats approximately 75% of the managed funds over a long term.
As already mentioned, one reason for that is managed funds will charge investment management fees three or four times the fees of an indexed fund.
Over a ten or twenty year timeframe that adds up.
As already mentioned, one reason for that is managed funds will charge investment management fees three or four times the fees of an indexed fund.
Over a ten or twenty year timeframe that adds up.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 10:12 pm to ragacamps
As more and more money moves to indexed it becomes easier for managed money to beat the market. Remember the stats everyone throws up showing indexed beats managed is a little misleading since they lump all the crappy managed funds in there. If you look at low expense, independent ( no bank and broker funds) where the mangers have their own money in the funds the performance tilts slightly to managed. Now for those who don't follow it, stick w indexed.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 8:51 am to 1609tiger
Some of Vanguard's managed funds seem to do really well and are still cheap compared to other houses.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 5:04 pm to ragacamps
In general, indexing does better than active management for most people.
There are people and funds who outperform markets, but it is rare.
Maybe you are the one who can beat the market for 30 years.
The things I've learned in 25 years of investing:
1. The longer the time horizon, the better an investment strategy will work out
2. The costs of investments should be as low as possible
3. buy things you understand. If you cannot explain what your investments are to a third grader, consider another investment.
4. Do not expect results to be positive at all times. Investing has risks even if they are carefully selected.
5. Do not invest money that you cannot afford to lose. Even sure things do not always work out.
6. Invest as much as you can as early as you can. Time is the ally you need to compound wealth.
7. Buy low; sell high. Sounds easy. It is hard to go against the crowd.
There are people and funds who outperform markets, but it is rare.
Maybe you are the one who can beat the market for 30 years.
The things I've learned in 25 years of investing:
1. The longer the time horizon, the better an investment strategy will work out
2. The costs of investments should be as low as possible
3. buy things you understand. If you cannot explain what your investments are to a third grader, consider another investment.
4. Do not expect results to be positive at all times. Investing has risks even if they are carefully selected.
5. Do not invest money that you cannot afford to lose. Even sure things do not always work out.
6. Invest as much as you can as early as you can. Time is the ally you need to compound wealth.
7. Buy low; sell high. Sounds easy. It is hard to go against the crowd.
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