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re: Been experimenting with "health insurance" for a year and a half
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:52 am to PeteRose
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:52 am to PeteRose
In May of 2005 I moved in with my then-girlfriend, who later became my wife. She was living in one/half of a double in Chalmette. She knew the landlord personally. The double was not in a flood zone. However, I was nervous since it is in south Louisiana, so after moving in, I bought $40K of contents-only flood insurance. Everyone, including girlfriend and landlord, told me it was pissing money away. 4 months and 11 feet of water later, that check saved my (and my future wife) rear end.
My thought on health insurance for someone in your situation (age, status, etc) is that you don't buy it for the everyday cold. You buy it for big, huge, major, accident-type things. A decent trauma event could easily run up 100K in medical bills (after negotiating it down). It would take you almost 28 years to be able to self-fund that reserve, using 300 a month.
Even if you don't want the Obamacare premium assistance, look around (not just BCBS) for a very high deductible insurance plan. Something with at least a $5,000 individual deductible. Pay it, and take the difference between 300 and the premium and put it into a health savings account. It's a tax deductible contribution (as is your premium since you are self employed, assuming you show a taxable profit).
My personal opinion is that the additional "reward" is not worth the significantly more additional "risk" you are taking. You can make a couple of very simple decisions that won't change much of the reward but will significantly reduce your risk.
Again... you can be insanely healthy, and still get hit by an uninsured motorist while crossing the street.
My thought on health insurance for someone in your situation (age, status, etc) is that you don't buy it for the everyday cold. You buy it for big, huge, major, accident-type things. A decent trauma event could easily run up 100K in medical bills (after negotiating it down). It would take you almost 28 years to be able to self-fund that reserve, using 300 a month.
Even if you don't want the Obamacare premium assistance, look around (not just BCBS) for a very high deductible insurance plan. Something with at least a $5,000 individual deductible. Pay it, and take the difference between 300 and the premium and put it into a health savings account. It's a tax deductible contribution (as is your premium since you are self employed, assuming you show a taxable profit).
My personal opinion is that the additional "reward" is not worth the significantly more additional "risk" you are taking. You can make a couple of very simple decisions that won't change much of the reward but will significantly reduce your risk.
Again... you can be insanely healthy, and still get hit by an uninsured motorist while crossing the street.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:01 pm to Korkstand
Why on earth would someone opt out of health insurance, especially if you can afford it? An accident can happen in the blink of an eye, and medical bills pile up very fast.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:06 pm to southernelite
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Doesn't carry insurance
Doesn't know what an HSA is
Possibly evading taxes
Yeah, sounds like you make solid decisions.
Well, it is Pete Rose we're talking to.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:22 pm to Chimlim
quote:Not only accidents, but other unexpected medical issues that are unrelated to your health or family history. I went to the emergency room a few months ago with abdominal pain. Turns out it was just a kidney stone, but I didn't know anything other than shite wasn't right. I managed to rack up $8k in bills in about an hour and a half. And I didn't even leave in better condition than when I went in! I was lucky that it was passable, and those bills didn't multiply with surgery or anything.
An accident can happen in the blink of an eye, and medical bills pile up very fast.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:42 pm to Korkstand
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I went to the emergency room a few months ago with abdominal pain.
My wife was having extreme abdominal pain 2 Christmases ago. 5 days in the hospital and $54,000 later (before insurance), she had her gallbladder taken out.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:56 pm to PeteRose
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what is consider crippling?
$50k - $100k in debt to a hospital?
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But to me, it's has negative value, meaning you get less out of it from what you put in.
until you need it
Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:42 pm to Salmon
I work in the hospital industry. You'd be surprised how many illnesses and accidents cost more than $250k+. When you have insurance, the insurance company and the hospital have pre-negotiated rates for every procedure. So even though the hospital may "charge" $100k for a heart surgery, the insurer will only pay $50k. If you don't have insurance and make enough to not be considered charity, you'll be paying at that $100k rate. You can usually whittle the price down some, but you aren't likely to beat the insurance rate.
And if you get in an accident, say some drunk idiot hits you when your running 4 minute miles, the insurance will be worth it.
TL;DR Get health insurance or go be a buckeye fan.
And if you get in an accident, say some drunk idiot hits you when your running 4 minute miles, the insurance will be worth it.
TL;DR Get health insurance or go be a buckeye fan.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:49 pm to blackoutdore
Ditto what everyone else says. Don't be a ding dong. Its a no brainer. High deductible with an HSA.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:40 pm to hungryone
All of this. Know a girl that fell off the bar doing crossfit (I'm not crossfit guy), had to have elbow surgery.....90k.
Screw not having insurance.
Screw not having insurance.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:29 pm to PeteRose
So what's you plan if somebody runs a red light and t-bones you? Serious question.
Everyone should have some sort of insurance for catastrophic events. Look into a HDHP that you can piggyback an HSA onto. Please.
Everyone should have some sort of insurance for catastrophic events. Look into a HDHP that you can piggyback an HSA onto. Please.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:39 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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So what's you plan if somebody runs a red light and t-bones you? Serious question
I don't run red lights. And if something happens, I'll pay for it in cash. Like I said, this is the lifestyle choice that I'm comfortable with. It works for my situation. I'm not asking or trying to convince people to live this way. I choose it based on principle.
Sure, you have people responding in here about uncle Harry or Aunt Sally have heart attacks or cancer. But for every one of these, there are hundreds of people who are healthy and fine.
I travel the world and I've seen hundred of millions of people who are doing fine without health insurance.
And like I said before, I've accepted death as a part of life. I can't live forever and wouldn't want to. If I get to 60 and drop dead, I'll be satisfied.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:59 pm to PeteRose
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I don't run red lights. And if something happens, I'll pay for it in cash. Like I said, this is the lifestyle choice that I'm comfortable with. It works for my situation. I'm not asking or trying to convince people to live this way. I choose it based on principle.
I wasn't talking about you running a red light.
I'm talking about you minding your business and some crazy blasts through an intersection. What are you going to do if you wake up in a hospital with $150k in medical bills?
To each his own I suppose. Good luck
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:44 pm to TigerDeBaiter
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I wasn't talking about you running a red light.
I'm talking about you minding your business and some crazy blasts through an intersection.
Well, there actually is a way to avoid this. When the light turns green, look before you go. It's amazing how many people don't do this.
A better example might be appendicitis. Or early onset Parkinson's. Something that strikes people out of the blue for no apparent reason that probably won't kill you but can be very very expensive to deal with if you aren't insured.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:50 pm to foshizzle
Yeah, because people only move through green lights from a stand still.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:52 pm to foshizzle
My last oh shite accident at home cost BCBS $50k
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:55 pm to PeteRose
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I travel the world and I've seen hundred of millions of people who are doing fine without health insurance.
And like I said before, I've accepted death as a part of life. I can't live forever and wouldn't want to. If I get to 60 and drop dead, I'll be satisfied.
Tell me where you've traveled....,many of those people don't have health insurance because they're covered by NATIONAL health care systems. England, France, Australia, Canada....every citizen is covered. More than 50 countries worldwide provide universal healthcare. Austria, Germany, Singapore, Thailand, New Zealand, Ireland, Italy.....
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:56 pm to PeteRose
You are looking at health insurance the wrong way. It is insurance, especially with the high deductible plans. I'm in my 30s and have term life insurance. If I live to age 65, I won't consider my 30 year term life a waste. In fact, I will be quite happy to never need it. Too many people think health insurance is not actual insurance like health or disability insurance.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:10 pm to PeteRose
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If health insurance is a safe haven for most people. But to me, it's has negative value, meaning you get less out of it from what you put in.
Wouldn't the same be true of all insurance? I say, throw caution to the wind. Let it ride... double down... all on black.
To me, paying the uninsured penalty (whether it's on true or under-reported income) and having nothing to show for it, is a true waste of money. Especially when, for a few bucks more, I could have insurance, an HSA and not have to put my business or personal finances at risk. But we're all different. All I can say is, good luck - since luck is what you're banking on.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:30 am to PeteRose
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And if something happens, I'll pay for it in cash.
not with $5k
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It works for my situation
It works right up until it doesn't
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I choose it based on principle.
a foolish, ill informed principle
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I travel the world and I've seen hundred of millions of people who are doing fine without health insurance.
And like I said before, I've accepted death as a part of life. I can't live forever and wouldn't want to. If I get to 60 and drop dead, I'll be satisfied.
You're an absolute idiot.
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:24 am to PeteRose
This is some of the most fricked up logic I have ever seen, but if you have already convinced yourself to jump, nobody will be able to pull you off the ledge.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:26 am
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