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anyone selling any VIX Puts?

Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:49 am
Posted by b-rab2
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:49 am
good trade for jan 16 options?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:52 am to
I bought puts yesterday. If you're a put seller, I'd be deep out of the money.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:54 am to
why so
?
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:55 am to
You're selling people the right to sell to you at a specified price. VIX moves up dramatically and infrequently, and moves down even more dramatically, but less often. Do you really want someone putting a VIX settlement to you at today's overly inflated price?
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:00 am to
gotcha I get confused on the put side. We all know the VIX will eventually go back down to the $10-20 sometime before january 16 (atleast I think it will). What trade would that be? I need to sell a put correct? Looks like I put the wrong side in on my trade.. oops
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:04 am to
Buy a put. Buy the right to sell to someone else. Don't ever sell puts if you don't know what you're doing. Don't ever sell calls unless you're covered.

Do this for at least a year, and maybe consider selling puts if you want to own the security, and think it is a way to lower your cost basis. Strike price minus premium collected.

So if you sell a put, be fully prepared to have someone put those shares to you at the strike. I sell puts only if I have no issue owning the stock, and no issue owning it at the strike price.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:09 am to
I used to sell puts on company's that I wanted to own at a certain price, but I haven't done that in a long time. I haven't played the options other than buying calls.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:12 am to
thanks again for your help.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:14 am to
Also, VIX are European style, which is probably a good thing, but they do settle in cash, and cash you will pay. They also settle at a settlement price, which is different than VIX spot. It is the expected value at expiration.

If you want to trade, I'd do two things. 1) Learn how t use VIX as insurance, and this really isn't a trade. 2) Trade it infrequently. As in maybe a couple of times a year, like the last couple of days when things are obvious. Then for the other 99% of time, leave it alone.

Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:19 am to
so buy the calls when VIX is way low ($11-13) a few months out. and when things happen like this past week, buy the puts? got it.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:23 am to
Yes. But don't buy long term, there is insurance and time premium built in. A lot of it.

I buy the cheapest calls for movement as insurance and roll.
For trades, I bought calls Thurs, Fri, bought and sold yesterday. I bought puts yesterday before close, and I'm already out. And will probably stay out as a trade until next time opportunity comes a knocking. Before Thursday, I hadn't touched VIX except as insurance.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33285 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:13 am to
quote:

anyone selling any VIX Puts?


sell aapl puts
Posted by darnol91
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:24 am to
quote:

sell aapl puts


This is not what he asked, and I'm sure he wont follow blindly by your suggestion
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 10:24 am
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:57 pm to
No thank you
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33285 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:03 pm to
It's a much less scary trade. But don't just sell the puts, sell the straddle.
Posted by Louie T
htx
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:15 pm to
Which long straddle are you playing? ~$110?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33285 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Which long straddle are you playing? ~$110?


You can check out the separate thread about it but since I like leaning long a bit, I'm partial to selling more of an upside one - maybe the 120 or 125. Jan 17 expiry.
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