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re: Anyone else currently sitting on the sideline in the stock market?

Posted on 12/9/16 at 3:18 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 3:18 pm to
Gary must be thinking all that cash that has been on the sidelines is fixing to flood into the markets, hey let's be honest, market sentiment is nearly as important as fundamentals. Cavuto does not think rising interest rates are going to matter that much short term.
Posted by Jp1LSU
Fiji
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:47 am to
I've been in the market a pretty long time and plan to remain invested. The market has bounced up and down the whole time. There are so many times people talk about getting out and how the sky is falling. More often than not they've been wrong. I take gains when things are up, I move things around from time to time. With a long term view, I use drops in the market to add to positions lower cost basis and create new positions.
2016 O&G has been very good to me. Emerging markets have also been good.
I just think that short term concerns over highs and lows is flawed. If you stay in long enough you'll see it go up and down and trying to predict/time the market is riskier than being in, IMO
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 12/21/16 at 2:09 pm to
Remainder of my VIX trade looks more and more likley that it will end up being worthless. Very grateful I closed enough of it to take a realized gain.

Now I'm really torn. Most of my logic in going to abour 25-30% cash was to realize gains, an uncomfortable feeling I have about "fake" earnings and my thoughts it was likely thta Hillary would be elected.

I'm seriously considering taking half of my cash and getting back in. So I'd still be about 14-20% cash. My thoughts are the tax cut. My issue is that it is very difficult for me to average up on current holdings. I'm not buying MMM @ $178 when my cost basis is well below $100. I'm not buying CVX at $118 when my cost basis is less than half of that.

I think what I'll proably end up doing is buy an index etf. Maybe VYM and & IWV. Also take a synthetic long on SLV out to Jan 2019. It looks like I can get a $12 strike for $16.65 on something that is trading at $15. 2019 would give me plenty of time to get out, and even if we had a correction my instinct is that an index fund would be o.k. in the very long term. There is a bit of tax planning invovled here as well.

Thoughts?
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:25 pm to
NKE is pretty cheap

GILD is priced like it is in the middle of a recession

Go long on those 2
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2384 posts
Posted on 12/21/16 at 4:48 pm to
I've been doing a lot of research on the VIX lately. Not sure what the move is just yet but we are in contango and the VIX is near 5yr lows.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 5:58 pm to
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NKE is pretty cheap GILD is priced like it is in the middle of a recession Go long on those 2


I had thought about NKE. I don't know enough about biotech to be comfortable with it as an individual stock. I think both would be inside of IWV.

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I've been doing a lot of research on the VIX lately. Not sure what the move is just yet but we are in contango and the VIX is near 5yr lows.


My thoughts are above. My trade was pretty decent for the pre election volitility, but my concern about it going forward is I think if pass through income cuts get done, we're going to see explosie economic growth. VIX is so cheap teh calls I have now for insurance purposes are farther out. Usually they are monthly and I roll them. I don't really know if VIX is in contango. I don't think contango and backwardation apply as the settlemet price isn't really known. So, and many disagree, there is really no sopt price, except for settlement day, everything else is the future's price. It's not like I can buy VIX and check to see where the contracts are compared to my purchase, which would be a defacto spot prce. I guess it depends on if you're looking at VIX, or one of its many derivations.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 12/21/16 at 6:10 pm to
Through my research I have not seen anything about no real spot price. Interesting. I've been reading all over but tracking on vixcentral and reading articles on 6 figure investing. The spot price is on vixcentral and I also read somewhere that the futures price would be the average spread on the vix for whatever month you are looking at plus 10. But also that is given on vixcentral. I believe we are in Contango now and the vix/vxv is around .747, which from what I've read, is historically low.

I'm still researching and trying to pull all of this together before I make a move.

I am currently holding all of my stock positions as I'm 30years out from retiring and I mostly buy and hold long term growth dividend stocks.

I am sure there will be a pull back at some point in the near to mid term
Posted by Omada
Member since Jun 2015
695 posts
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:46 pm to
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Remainder of my VIX trade looks more and more likley that it will end up being worthless.

If your trade doesn't expire in December, then give it a chance. VIX is quite low, and my technical indicators suggest that the Dow has topped out for now. It's too overbought, and momentum appears to have run out. I expect either a dip soon or some sideways trading for that index. The S&P is in a similar situation, though not as overbought. Nasdaq could go either way for all I know. But I still stand by my last few posts in this thread: the Dow is overbought and has been overbought for a fascinating amount of time. It looks unattractive, and I'd wait (a month or two or maybe longer) to see how things play out before going long.

/CL could increase further, but it appears to be losing momentum, too. Not sure if it's topped out yet. /GC has been pretty oversold and may make an upturn soon, though I'm not sure how much. It looks oversold to the same extent that the Dow is overbought.
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I'm seriously considering taking half of my cash and getting back in.

Acting on a fear of missing out, or are you looking to purchase underappreciated assets?

Personally, I'm sitting on my hands while accumulating capital. I expect an opportunity soon. If I'm wrong, I can still sleep at night with the decision.
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2384 posts
Posted on 12/21/16 at 10:52 pm to
DOW has nothing to do with the VIX. but I agree there will be a pull back soon. I was dead wrong about my short on the spx before the election,mainly bc I bought in to trump winning=stocks dipping. Bond yields are high, everyone is saying ride the market up. I'm not buying it. I'd say market trades sideways for the near term and see some volatility near to mid term. But hey. I've had a few old fashions tonight
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 9:00 am to
I'm getting quotes on portfolio insurance today. It's relatively inexpensive this morning to go out to July 2017 VIX.

This seems prudent. If we have volatility or a correction I make an insurance claim and use the cash to buy something at a lower level. If nothing happens, essentially I've paid premium, and can show this as a trading loss in 2017.
Posted by stonerolledaway
the villages
Member since Jul 2011
982 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:13 am to
market timing is a loser's game...the important thing is are you saving enough...
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:15 am
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 3:09 pm to
Here is what I did today. SLV is trading generally at $16.00. I bought every January 2019 $9 call I could get below $7.75. So I basically have between today and January 2019 for silver to have opportunity to get over $16.75, although I'll likely make money if SLV is around $17.50. Seems like a easily manageable trade.

I bought various puts on regional property casualty insurers, all after they report Q2 results. Q2 would include the period of time they are most likely to suffer wind and hail catastrophic losses.

I bought July 2017 $15 VIX calls. I consider this the riskiest as I probably overpaid, but I wanted some sort of play on market volatility.

I'd consider all speculative, although the VIX also acts as insurance. The total trade was under $8K, and I set no stops. Maximum potential loss is total trade amount.

So I put a bit into some speculation today that won't require much time to manage the trade. I guess it's all a small downside hedge. We'll see how it goes.
Posted by Jp1LSU
Fiji
Member since Oct 2005
2542 posts
Posted on 1/27/17 at 7:08 am to
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Another part of it is (B) because Mexico over the past couple of decades represents one of the few economic success stories in the world that is still poised for high growth going forward (BRICs have become toxic), so it's a great long-term investment. Finally, (C) it's a good value buy because the Mexican stock ETFs are way off their highs from around 2013 or so due to a recent Mexican recession.


I feel like 2016 was a great year to be in Brazilian stocks. Two big ones PBR and VALE went from around $2-3 per share to $10
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:25 am to
10% unrealized gain on the silver trade.

VIX is about even, insurance play is about even.

Less than 30 day in the trade. I'll try to sell 1/2 of the SLV calls today to lock my profit.
This post was edited on 2/9/17 at 8:27 am
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:17 am to
SLV was a 10% gain.

UFCS (regional insurance play based on weather) puts were doubled.

I'm upside down on July VIX calls, but recent activity leads me to believe I'll get out with a small gain or loss. I overpaid as I bought time. My mistake.

UFCS was a very good play. All in all, the three trades I made with cash sitting on the sidelines will work out well.
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