- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Achieving Goals and Feeling Unsettled
Posted on 12/16/12 at 1:30 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 1:30 am
It's been a weird feeling lately after meeting many of the financial and career goals I had set out. My wife and kids are great too, but we have kind of settled into our routine.
What are some of the experiences working through this lull and refocusing on the next mountains to climb? The feeling is oddly unsettling after being so focused on getting to this point. It is hard to dream even bigger, since I am a fairly simple person. But I have been so accustomed to the tension of chasing the next target that it is hard-wired and complacency feels unnatural.
If this is making any sense, any thoughts are appreciated.
What are some of the experiences working through this lull and refocusing on the next mountains to climb? The feeling is oddly unsettling after being so focused on getting to this point. It is hard to dream even bigger, since I am a fairly simple person. But I have been so accustomed to the tension of chasing the next target that it is hard-wired and complacency feels unnatural.
If this is making any sense, any thoughts are appreciated.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 4:39 am to Bayou Tiger
Maybe you should read The Hero with a Thousand Faces or something. It's hard to know without knowing much about you.
In general, it can be said that people tend to err either by setting goals that are too grand/sweeping/ambitious (usually because they fear the normal feedback and criticism that comes from setting more reasonable goals and living an ordinary life), or by setting goals that are too narrow/rigid/small (usually because they fear the great unknown and uncertainty that comes from exploring--and thus exposing--the inner depths of their own character).
There was an article (" The Power of Negative Thinking") recently in the Wall Street Journal that was only tangentially related to all this, but it did contain the following interesting passage:
If you are a simple person, then I'd say that's a good thing. I don't know if you're a religious man, but the whole theme of Ecclesiastes is basically that the best thing for man is to simply eat, drink, and cheerfully to enjoy the fruit of his labors while thanking God for his life, and that all the rest--building empires, saving the rain forests, speaking out about blood diamonds in the Congo, going to philanthropy galas in West Palm Beach, etc.--is usually more vanity than anything else.
But of course, if you truly enjoy life, then as you mature you'll want to understand more about it. That's about all I can tell you, and to be honest, I'm not the best person in the world to take advice from. I'm more or less just trying to get my own thoughts out on this.
There's also the whole results-oriented vs. process-oriented paradigm that's popular to talk about these days, but really, it seems to me that such a paradigm, while useful for some things, does tend to sidestep the bigger issues in some ways. Sure, you can lead a more stoic and serene life by being more process-oriented, but how do you judge what process you choose to live your whole life by? You can end up just as narrow-minded as the supposedly even more narrow-minded results-oriented people.
The point is, it's hard to figure out what it is you really want to do. Pretty much every success book or self-help book that's ever been written consists of the following two lessons: (1) figure out what it is that you really want to do, what you are "passionate about" and feel like you were born to do, and (2) stop making excuses to yourself for not doing it.
Inevitably, (1) is skipped over in a paragraph or two, while 99% of the book talks about (2). But this is just a parlor trick, because (2) is the easy part, which is why self-help books are almost always close to useless. They're all just motivational rah-rah speech, basically. It's (1) that nobody knows how to explain.
I fear that I've rambled too much in this post, but to wrap everything up, I'd say that figuring out "what you really want to do" can in some ways be viewed as researching any other field of information that you want to know about. You have to figure out yourself better, the world around you better, and your role within that world better. All of this takes careful objective study, because the truth is often hard to figure out. But, you know, "the truth shall set you free" and "know thyself" and all that.
Good luck.
In general, it can be said that people tend to err either by setting goals that are too grand/sweeping/ambitious (usually because they fear the normal feedback and criticism that comes from setting more reasonable goals and living an ordinary life), or by setting goals that are too narrow/rigid/small (usually because they fear the great unknown and uncertainty that comes from exploring--and thus exposing--the inner depths of their own character).
There was an article (" The Power of Negative Thinking") recently in the Wall Street Journal that was only tangentially related to all this, but it did contain the following interesting passage:
quote:
...
In American corporations, perhaps the most widely accepted doctrine of the "cult of positivity" is the importance of setting big, audacious goals for an organization, while employees are encouraged (or compelled) to set goals that are "SMART"—"Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant and Timely." (It is thought that the term was first used in a 1981 article by George T. Doran.)
But the pro-goal consensus is starting to crumble. For one thing, rigid goals may encourage employees to cut ethical corners. In a study conducted by the management scholar Lisa Ordóñez and her colleagues, participants had to make words from a set of random letters, as in Scrabble. The experiment let them report their progress anonymously—and those given a specific target to reach lied far more frequently than those instructed merely to "do your best."
Goals may even lead to underachievement. Many New York taxi drivers, one team of economists concluded, make less money in rainy weather than they could because they finish work as soon as they reach their mental target for what constitute a good day's earnings.
Focusing on one goal at the expense of all other factors also can distort a corporate mission or an individual life, says Christopher Kayes, an associate professor of management at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. ... Behind our fixation on goals, Prof. Kayes's work suggests, is a deep unease with feelings of uncertainty.
Research by Saras Sarasvathy, an associate professor of business administration at the University of Virginia, suggests that learning to accommodate feelings of uncertainty is not just the key to a more balanced life but often leads to prosperity as well. For one project, she interviewed 45 successful entrepreneurs, all of whom had taken at least one business public. ...
They practiced instead what Prof. Sarasvathy calls "effectuation." Rather than choosing a goal and then making a plan to achieve it, they took stock of the means and materials at their disposal, then imagined the possible ends. Effectuation also includes what she calls the "affordable loss principle." Instead of focusing on the possibility of spectacular rewards from a venture, ask how great the loss would be if it failed. If the potential loss seems tolerable, take the next step.
...
If you are a simple person, then I'd say that's a good thing. I don't know if you're a religious man, but the whole theme of Ecclesiastes is basically that the best thing for man is to simply eat, drink, and cheerfully to enjoy the fruit of his labors while thanking God for his life, and that all the rest--building empires, saving the rain forests, speaking out about blood diamonds in the Congo, going to philanthropy galas in West Palm Beach, etc.--is usually more vanity than anything else.
But of course, if you truly enjoy life, then as you mature you'll want to understand more about it. That's about all I can tell you, and to be honest, I'm not the best person in the world to take advice from. I'm more or less just trying to get my own thoughts out on this.
There's also the whole results-oriented vs. process-oriented paradigm that's popular to talk about these days, but really, it seems to me that such a paradigm, while useful for some things, does tend to sidestep the bigger issues in some ways. Sure, you can lead a more stoic and serene life by being more process-oriented, but how do you judge what process you choose to live your whole life by? You can end up just as narrow-minded as the supposedly even more narrow-minded results-oriented people.
The point is, it's hard to figure out what it is you really want to do. Pretty much every success book or self-help book that's ever been written consists of the following two lessons: (1) figure out what it is that you really want to do, what you are "passionate about" and feel like you were born to do, and (2) stop making excuses to yourself for not doing it.
Inevitably, (1) is skipped over in a paragraph or two, while 99% of the book talks about (2). But this is just a parlor trick, because (2) is the easy part, which is why self-help books are almost always close to useless. They're all just motivational rah-rah speech, basically. It's (1) that nobody knows how to explain.
I fear that I've rambled too much in this post, but to wrap everything up, I'd say that figuring out "what you really want to do" can in some ways be viewed as researching any other field of information that you want to know about. You have to figure out yourself better, the world around you better, and your role within that world better. All of this takes careful objective study, because the truth is often hard to figure out. But, you know, "the truth shall set you free" and "know thyself" and all that.
Good luck.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 6:02 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:34 am to Bayou Tiger
quote:Several options:
Achieving Goals and Feeling Unsettled
Consider community service, especially in the area of your expertise.
Take up new hobbies/activities: Sailing, skiing, golf, photography, etc.
Pursue unfulfilled interests: travel, education, art, etc.
Simple stuff, I know.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 9:47 am to Doc Fenton
If it's not been said yet, let me be the first: welcome back. Excellent post.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:15 am to Doc Fenton
quote:
I fear that I've rambled too much in this post, but to wrap everything up, I'd say that figuring out "what you really want to do" can in some ways be viewed as researching any other field of information that you want to know about. You have to figure out yourself better, the world around you better, and your role within that world better. All of this takes careful objective study, because the truth is often hard to figure out. But, you know, "the truth shall set you free" and "know thyself" and all that.
Thank you for your excellent post.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:38 am to Bayou Tiger
There are plenty of really good books/audio books on the subject. I would start there.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:41 am to Bayou Tiger
Help others. Spend time with family.
Your life will never feel unfulfilled again.
Your life will never feel unfulfilled again.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:53 am to RedStickBR
Thank you, Red Stick.
:tips cap:
:tips cap:
Posted on 12/16/12 at 12:12 pm to Bayou Tiger
Perhaps you need to seek Spiritual fulfullment though Jesus Christ.
Lots of people achieve their life-long goals only to find once they reach their goals, they find life empty and void of any meaning.
I know a lady that was simliar to you. She told me she had the ideal life, a great husband, beautiful children, a nice home with a comfortable income but inside she was miserable and empty. She has found life fulfillment through her relationship with Jesus Christ.
I know this isn't a religous thread but I feel like I needed to post this for you.
God bless.
Lots of people achieve their life-long goals only to find once they reach their goals, they find life empty and void of any meaning.
I know a lady that was simliar to you. She told me she had the ideal life, a great husband, beautiful children, a nice home with a comfortable income but inside she was miserable and empty. She has found life fulfillment through her relationship with Jesus Christ.
I know this isn't a religous thread but I feel like I needed to post this for you.
God bless.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:16 pm to Reubaltaich
I have gotten involved with 3 charities - ones where I can view ongoing projects. For instance, I have been financially supporting one group that feeds homeless people lunch on Sunday.
In the pouring rain today, I went to make sure the charity was setting up, give several boxes of food and a check. Glad to report they were there. My next step with this charity will be to actually set up, serve, and clean up while the founders get to talk to the (mostly) men.
In the pouring rain today, I went to make sure the charity was setting up, give several boxes of food and a check. Glad to report they were there. My next step with this charity will be to actually set up, serve, and clean up while the founders get to talk to the (mostly) men.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:48 pm to Doc Fenton
Doc,
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
Really the changes lately have been more of a refocus on family and religion. My work is still enjoyable, and having some mentoring duties is a good chance to give back. Even though I have to bust my tail every day to keep up, maybe I don't need to keep working like a complete maniac.
Thanks for the comments. The Money Board seemed to be the place to post this due to the preponderance of goal-oriented people. When you have been firing at those tough goals for a long time, it can disorienting to reach them and wonder how to redirect or refocus the energy.
ETA: NC_Tigah, Meauxjeaux, and Reubaltaich - completely agree with your points as well.
Thanks for the thoughtful response.
quote:This sums up where I want to be in life. Over the course of putting my career and finances in place, the parts about "cheerfully" and "thanking God" have not received enough attention. However, "enjoy the fruit of his labors" remains a priority to avoid falling back in my career.
If you are a simple person, then I'd say that's a good thing. I don't know if you're a religious man, but the whole theme of Ecclesiastes is basically that the best thing for man is to simply eat, drink, and cheerfully to enjoy the fruit of his labors while thanking God for his life, and that all the rest--building empires, saving the rain forests, speaking out about blood diamonds in the Congo, going to philanthropy galas in West Palm Beach, etc.--is usually more vanity than anything else.
Really the changes lately have been more of a refocus on family and religion. My work is still enjoyable, and having some mentoring duties is a good chance to give back. Even though I have to bust my tail every day to keep up, maybe I don't need to keep working like a complete maniac.
Thanks for the comments. The Money Board seemed to be the place to post this due to the preponderance of goal-oriented people. When you have been firing at those tough goals for a long time, it can disorienting to reach them and wonder how to redirect or refocus the energy.
ETA: NC_Tigah, Meauxjeaux, and Reubaltaich - completely agree with your points as well.
This post was edited on 12/16/12 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/17/12 at 9:43 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:
Spend time with family.
I live away from my parents, so in order to reach out to them I typically call them every other day to catch up. It makes an amazing difference in attitude to keep a strong connection to home if you have that option. I also have been more active with helping my cousins and my gf's family so as to not look like I have discarded everyone in my life.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News