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401k versus Roth IRA Contributions

Posted on 3/5/11 at 7:38 am
Posted by FlowMaster
Member since Jan 2009
305 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 7:38 am
I currently contribute 12% of my salary into my company sponsored 401k plan; they match about one third of my contributions currently. I'm wondering if I should halve my contributions and use the other 6% to open and fund a Roth IRA. My thinking is that only 1/3 of my 401k contributions are matched, so the "excess" 6% could be better used in a Roth. My only reservation is that I might lose the tax advantage now of deferring the 12% into the 401k, whereas I'd only realize 1/2 of that deferral benefit by redirecting funds to the Roth. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by LSU9102
West of the Mississippi
Member since Mar 2007
2474 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 8:17 am to
$5000 is the limit for the Roth for the year.
It is tax free when you withdraw.
401k will not be.

Posted by Pheeze
Member since Jun 2007
38 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 8:22 am to
Here's the general prioritization I use when figuring out where I should direct my retirement savings:

1) Contribute to 401k up to company match - in your case this would be ~4%
2) Contribute the remainder to a Roth IRA until you hit the limit
3) Contribute the remainder to a traditional IRA - though I think if you've hit the limit in a Roth you won't be able to contribute to a traditional
4) Any remaining allocated retirement funds should then go back to your 401K (add to the 4% above)

My rational in using IRA's instead of 401k (after you've exhausted the company match) is that you have many more investment options. Also the overall tax advantages of a Roth will most likely be better than the 401k assuming you're ok with less take home right now.

One more advantage of a Roth IRA is that you can withdraw your contributions at any time without penalty - you shouldn't ever plan on doing this but there is significant value in having this option compared to the others.
This post was edited on 3/5/11 at 8:27 am
Posted by FlowMaster
Member since Jan 2009
305 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 8:56 am to
Thank you.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Minnesota
Member since Jan 2005
45565 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 11:32 am to
quote:

One more advantage of a Roth IRA is that you can withdraw your contributions at any time without penalty - you shouldn't ever plan on doing this but there is significant value in having this option compared to the others.


I don't think this is accurate. There are some instances where you can withdraw funds, though.
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 12:13 pm to
yeah, i thought there was a 10% penalty, with some limited exceptions.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37692 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

I don't think this is accurate.


You are not taxed on your contributions but you are taxed on any profits you withdraw.
Posted by Pheeze
Member since Jun 2007
38 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

I don't think this is accurate. There are some instances where you can withdraw funds, though.


I think you're thinking of the penalty for withdrawing earnings.

You can withdraw your contributions at any time but if you choose to withdraw your earnings as well then there's a penalty except for a few exceptions (educations, first time home, etc.)
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 3/5/11 at 9:19 pm to
Pheeze is correct, and I agree with his tiered breakdown of where to contribute and when.

You can withdraw your contributions from a Roth at any time without penalty. The reason why is that with a Roth you are contributing money you've already paid taxes on. It's earnings that you can't take out, because the earnings are tax-free.

With a traditional IRA, both contributions and earnings are restricted because you haven't paid tax on either. Not the same.
Posted by tirebiter
7K R&G chile land aka SF
Member since Oct 2006
9169 posts
Posted on 3/6/11 at 12:08 pm to
Much of this depends on tax planning and what the contributions mean to your current tax situation and what it may be in retirement. If you retire and are at a Fed tax rate of 25% a $750K Roth is worth the same as $1M in a traditional 401k/IRA. Having no idea what future tax rates will be it is worth contemplating adding a Roth for tax diversification if no other reason. If you are young the Roth can make a lot of sense, but you could also intend to convert 401k savings into Roth if your retirement tax rates are low. Unless people are highly skilled investors, earn/save at a rate well above average, etc many will retire at a lower tax rate which would allow conversions to the Roth at lower tax rates than when working FT if tax policy remains similar to current policy.

Paying estimated taxes on portfolio/savings earnings sucks, that I can tell you.

Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7489 posts
Posted on 3/6/11 at 11:37 pm to
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
58654 posts
Posted on 3/7/11 at 12:22 pm to
How has your 401 been doing?

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