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30 year loan vs 15 year loan mortgage

Posted on 5/18/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted by jprice4608
Member since Dec 2011
944 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 7:46 pm
If I am putting down 15%, which one would you do? Would you pay more each month for the 30 year or do the 15 year mortgage?
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17250 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 7:49 pm to
Run the numbers, what is the rate diffrence? I would prob go with a 30 yr but pay additional principal each month to equal the 15 yr, and would have a built in cushion if I hit hard times
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:13 pm to
First off Id wait till you can do 20% so you avoid PMI. Then I'd suggest 15 bc you wanna pay off your first property as soon as possible.You can maneuver alot once that asset is on your balance sheet. I know money is cheap and I know people say stuff your IRAs or whatever, I personally dont have IRAs so im not one to ask about that but I believe a paid off home is just like cash in the stock market so Im not really the right guy to answer that one.
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7215 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:16 pm to
I agree about the 20%, if you are that close, save up the extra 5%. As far as 30 vs 15, nobody here can answer that question for you without knowing your complete financial situation. If you have a stable job and can easily afford a 15 yr, then that is likely the answer.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20370 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:33 pm to
If you don't have 20%, you really have to do a 15. The problem is that when you don't have a lot of down payment so much your first 3 years is going to interest and not principle that if you end up needing to sell in the first 3 years theres a good chance you may be selling for a loss after closing costs.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17250 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

The problem is that when you don't have a lot of down payment so much your first 3 years is going to interest and not principle that if you end up needing to sell in the first 3 years theres a good chance you may be selling for a loss after closing costs.



How would the amount of down payment affect the percentage of payment going to principle in the first 3 years, or for any period?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48868 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

The problem is that when you don't have a lot of down payment so much your first 3 years is going to interest and not principle that if you end up needing to sell in the first 3 years


What?
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16818 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 9:44 pm to
I'd do 15 years. You will end up paying more than 2x the amount in interest with 30 years. But goodluck to whichever you decide.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:33 pm to
I was actually curious about amortization tables.Just to give you an example i just pulled up a 15 year vs 30 year calculator.Take a $250,000 mortgage.

on a 15 year $1100/mo goes to principal in month 1 and $650 to interest

on a 30 year $330/mo goes to principal in month 1 and $950 to interest

you dont get $1100/mo of principal till 2040 with a 30 year loan

Thats really eye opening
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16818 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:23 am to
Yup. I was a 30 year guy when I bought my 1st property. After i refi to a 15 year mortgage, I was done with the 30 year.

From your example of a 250k mortgage, total interest breakdown:

@3.5%, 30y = 154k
@3.5%, 15y = 71k

@4%, 30y = 179k
$4%, 15y = 83k

Now, i understand that some people can only afford 30y payments while trying to be a homeowner. That's fine. They can alway refi later. But if you can afford 15 year mortgage, that would be a better option.

30 year proponents may say you can get tax deductible from interest payment. Yeah, but I rather be debt free so noone can bother me each month.
Posted by DukeSilver
Member since Jan 2014
2716 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:24 am to
quote:

would prob go with a 30 yr but pay additional principal each month to equal the 15 yr, and would have a built in cushion if I hit hard times
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 5:24 am to
Run the numbers, and don't forget to include the impact of interest rate deductions if you can do them, and also consider inflation.

For example, a couple of years ago I was able to get a 30 year for 3.25%. After tax breaks the true rate was pretty close to the rate of inflation. A 15 year would have had a *lower* rate than inflation, so it made no sense to have the higher payments and I went with the 30 instead.

Today rates are a little higher but I suspect the 30 is still the better deal. Like I said though, you have to work out the exact details.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25363 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:19 am to
you give me 3% money for 100 years, im taking it. But if uncomfortable owing someone money for long periods of time, take the shorter term.

Good Luck!
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:21 am to
If you get a 30 year mortgage but pay the 15 year amount, you only add like 10 months to the life of your loan if I remember correctly


Then you get a ton of flexibility if you need money or have change in circumstances. For example, if treasury bonds go back to say 4%, i could make money
Posted by Bayou Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
3657 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:49 am to
quote:

go with a 30 yr but pay additional principal each month to equal the 15 yr, and would have a built in cushion if I hit hard times
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16151 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 6:59 am to
quote:

Then you get a ton of flexibility if you need money or have change in circumstances. For example, if treasury bonds go back to say 4%, i could make money


I completely agree with the spirit and financial planning of your statement.

However, I don't think our government will ever go back to doing anything to encourage or provide opportunity for savings. We are a consumer driven economy until it crashes.
Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 7:02 am to
Or buy a house with 15 year that you can afford to pay extra principal on
Posted by SouthOfSouth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
43456 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 7:10 am to
quote:

If you get a 30 year mortgage but pay the 15 year amount, you only add like 10 months to the life of your loan if I remember correctly



Personally the biggest answer to 15yr to 30 yr is the interest rate spread... If you are getting a 3.8% rate at 30 years but a 2.9% rate or something like that 15 year.... That 1% is likely worth taking the 15 year loan.
Posted by Dave Worth
Metairie
Member since Dec 2003
1806 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Personally the biggest answer to 15yr to 30 yr is the interest rate spread... If you are getting a 3.8% rate at 30 years but a 2.9% rate or something like that 15 year.... That 1% is likely worth taking the 15 year loan.


We had a 30 year mortgage at around 3.9%. We were paying over $500 extra each month on an $1100 note (we put almost 50% down on this house). We're just starting to meet with some financial advisors and one of things that was suggested is to not pay so much extra. There are better things that money could do.

He did suggest looking at at 15 year at a lower rate if possible. We sign the papers tomorrow on a 15 year note at something like 2.7%. My wife deals with this so I'm not completely sure on the details. But the new note will still be at least $200 less than what we were paying on the 30 year after we plussed it up.

If you're just starting out and things are tight and you haven't built up a big emergency fund or portfolio, I would probably recommend the 30 year note. Pay a little extra and build up your net worth. The reality is that shite happens. People get sick, jobs disappear, kids pop up and so on. A good recommendation is 6 months of expenses saved up that you can easily get to (401K doesn't count). I would recommend you have more than that to also deal with the issues that come up in home ownership.

If you're a little older and/or have significant savings then I would recommend looking at the 15 year. In our situation, we have more than enough in reserves to carry us a long time if one or both of us lost our jobs or something big happened.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4072 posts
Posted on 5/19/16 at 5:04 pm to
Very good, balanced advice. Being house poor is not good. And neither is having too much of your net worth being illiquid and tied up in your primary residence. We can sell our stocks if things get tight. But selling your house in order to get through tough times is a different matter. And as the last recession showed, thinking that equity loans are always on the table is not realistic if the feces really hits the AC again.

Again, good, balanced advice.
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