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Zone Defense
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:52 pm
I'm no basketball guru, but I don't remember seeing this work for us at all this year. Every time we switch to a zone D, I just wait for the other team to hit a wide open 3.
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 1:53 pm to ZBeaux10
We're just as bad at playing zone as we are playing against zone
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:01 pm to ZBeaux10
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I just wait for the other team to hit a wide open 3.
Well there was the one time that a Bama guard drove to the basket and Ben Simmons moved out of his way while Blakeney stepped out of the lane to guard an outside shooter which allowed the easiest layup I've ever seen against a zone defense.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:02 pm to ZBeaux10
I talked about this in another thread and thought about starting a thread about it.
The point of LSU running a zone defense is supposed to be to pack in the defense and limit your foul exposure. Well we are effing stupid in the way that we teach our players to play within the zone defense. Instead of packing it in, we guard perimeter players too high and go over the top of screens. When we go over the top of the screens instead of underneath, it creates more space between our defenders. The extra space that we voluntary give teams has lead to way too many open shots.
Anytime you run a zone defense you will always have your rebounding issues but its the way that we give up open shots that absolutely kills me because it is something that can be easily fixed. Just go underneath the damn screen and make teams shoot over the top of you with a hand in their face. Instead we are giving up wide open shots in the lane and on the perimeter. Its bad but its an easy fix to make it better. Not great but better.
The point of LSU running a zone defense is supposed to be to pack in the defense and limit your foul exposure. Well we are effing stupid in the way that we teach our players to play within the zone defense. Instead of packing it in, we guard perimeter players too high and go over the top of screens. When we go over the top of the screens instead of underneath, it creates more space between our defenders. The extra space that we voluntary give teams has lead to way too many open shots.
Anytime you run a zone defense you will always have your rebounding issues but its the way that we give up open shots that absolutely kills me because it is something that can be easily fixed. Just go underneath the damn screen and make teams shoot over the top of you with a hand in their face. Instead we are giving up wide open shots in the lane and on the perimeter. Its bad but its an easy fix to make it better. Not great but better.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:02 pm to Choupique19
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Well there was the one time that a Bama guard drove to the basket and Ben Simmons moved out of his way while Blakeney stepped out of the lane to guard an outside shooter which allowed the easiest layup I've ever seen against a zone defense.
One time?
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:10 pm to ZBeaux10
Zone Def requires some thought. Straight man they can just chase someone around.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:11 pm to ZBeaux10
we let up a lot of open 3's in man and zone. Pretty much a hallmark of the Johnny Jones era.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:21 pm to ZBeaux10
we were trying to protect CV from getting fouls. Unfortunately TQ can't prevent guard penetration and we overplay the ball and it turns into wide open jumper or layups.
I think BS should be the top of the zone.
I think BS should be the top of the zone.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:22 pm to camplsu
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I talked about this in another thread and thought about starting a thread about it.
The point of LSU running a zone defense is supposed to be to pack in the defense and limit your foul exposure. Well we are effing stupid in the way that we teach our players to play within the zone defense. Instead of packing it in, we guard perimeter players too high and go over the top of screens. When we go over the top of the screens instead of underneath, it creates more space between our defenders. The extra space that we voluntary give teams has lead to way too many open shots.
Anytime you run a zone defense you will always have your rebounding issues but its the way that we give up open shots that absolutely kills me because it is something that can be easily fixed. Just go underneath the damn screen and make teams shoot over the top of you with a hand in their face. Instead we are giving up wide open shots in the lane and on the perimeter. Its bad but its an easy fix to make it better. Not great but better
That's basically indicative of LSU overall issues on defense. They unnecessarily over-play everything. Under Jones, LSU has been so hell-bent on getting steals that they are more than willing to give up easy baskets in the process. It's not an effort issue. It's a fundamentals issue. They are constantly out of position in search of a steal that they give up a ton of easy basket in the process. LSU had 9 steals last night and forced 16 turnovers. Yet, Alabama still shot 46% and had countless layups and open 3's. If they would just used their length and athleticism to stay in front of guys and contest shots, then LSU would probably be a good defensive team.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:27 pm to ZBeaux10
LSU was getting destoryed in man last night by Alabama's best player. They had no other choice to switch it up to zone which resulted in Coleman knocking down 3s.
LSU had no options last night when Bama continued to knock down the 3 ball.
LSU had no options last night when Bama continued to knock down the 3 ball.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:33 pm to ZBeaux10
Playing a zone defense in college basketball(unless you are Syracuse), or playing the .1% of teams that can actually move the ball down low, is stupid. However, it is our go to often. So let us take a look how that is working out for us:
Lsu is 14th in the SEC in points allowed. Solid work
Lsu is 14th in the SEC in points allowed. Solid work
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:40 pm to tzimme4
Alabama isn't a good offensive team.
We shouldn't have to play zone against them.
We shouldn't have to play zone against them.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:42 pm to tzimme4
It didn't matter if they were in man or zone, they aren't good on defense.
A team that sucks at man to man defense, probably sucks at zone defense too.
Defense requires communication and knowing the scouting report, then executing the plan with 100% effort.
You can't play man and not make an attempt to get through the screen, while the screen defender does a horrible job of hedging the pick.
Defense falls on coaching more than players, if you ask me, not to say i don't blame the players too.
We are not small, and we are not slow. there's no reason we shouldn't' be a great defensive team, much less a good one.
There was a play last night they replayed from the Duke/UNC game where UNC made a jumpshot from the elbow, but showed how it was good defense b/c there was help to stop him from getting to the goal, and guys guarding good shooters made sure they didnt' leave their man open for an easy 3. Play resulted in an off the dribble jumpshot from the elbow with a hand in the face. ANy coach will take that shot from their defense.
A team that sucks at man to man defense, probably sucks at zone defense too.
Defense requires communication and knowing the scouting report, then executing the plan with 100% effort.
You can't play man and not make an attempt to get through the screen, while the screen defender does a horrible job of hedging the pick.
Defense falls on coaching more than players, if you ask me, not to say i don't blame the players too.
We are not small, and we are not slow. there's no reason we shouldn't' be a great defensive team, much less a good one.
There was a play last night they replayed from the Duke/UNC game where UNC made a jumpshot from the elbow, but showed how it was good defense b/c there was help to stop him from getting to the goal, and guys guarding good shooters made sure they didnt' leave their man open for an easy 3. Play resulted in an off the dribble jumpshot from the elbow with a hand in the face. ANy coach will take that shot from their defense.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:43 pm to BayouBengals03
LSU shouldn't have let Bama set the tempo the ENTIRE 2nd half. That's what got them in trouble in the 1st place
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:44 pm to ZBeaux10
We get screened off on a zone defense which is like resort one for a team trying bust a zone. We don't fight through or communicate (at least we don't appear to) and get pinned down nonstop and give up open looks.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:46 pm to tzimme4
For LSU to lose that game, AT HOME, with the talent gap between the two teams is honestly pretty embarrassing.
Our coaching staff should be embarrassed.
Our coaching staff should be embarrassed.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:46 pm to ZBeaux10
I've seen a more fundamentally sound 2-3 zone defense at an Ascension Youth Basketball Association game.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:47 pm to AmOutlawBR
I still don't understand why we don't play a trapping zone. I mean if you are going to overplay everything, at least do it with pressure instead of a lack of leverage that is crazy easy to break down.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 2:57 pm to Alt26
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That's basically indicative of LSU overall issues on defense. They unnecessarily over-play everything. Under Jones, LSU has been so hell-bent on getting steals that they are more than willing to give up easy baskets in the process. It's not an effort issue. It's a fundamentals issue. They are constantly out of position in search of a steal that they give up a ton of easy basket in the process. LSU had 9 steals last night and forced 16 turnovers. Yet, Alabama still shot 46% and had countless layups and open 3's. If they would just used their length and athleticism to stay in front of guys and contest shots, then LSU would probably be a good defensive team.
This.
It's Johnny's philosophy to go for steals and run-outs. Just like on the offensive end he wants us to take quick shots. He wants a fast paced helter skelter game. As much as I like it for entertainment values, Johnny has proven that he can't take his overall philosophy and make it championship level. Also unwillingness to adapt and change styles to even fit personnel is starting to drive me nuts.
There is always more than one way to skin a cat. You don't have to coach and play old school fundamental grind it out basketball. Nolan Richardson took his style of basketball and made it championship level. I can get behind any philosophy if you can make it work. But the way CJJ and staff are teaching things is not working.
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:23 pm to Alt26
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That's basically indicative of LSU overall issues on defense. They unnecessarily over-play everything. Under Jones, LSU has been so hell-bent on getting steals that they are more than willing to give up easy baskets in the process. It's not an effort issue. It's a fundamentals issue. They are constantly out of position in search of a steal that they give up a ton of easy basket in the process. LSU had 9 steals last night and forced 16 turnovers. Yet, Alabama still shot 46% and had countless layups and open 3's. If they would just used their length and athleticism to stay in front of guys and contest shots, then LSU would probably be a good defensive team.
Couldn't agree more. I've never thought it was effort, just fundamentally flawed in our approach.
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