re: Would you sign up for the next 11 years to look just like the last 11?

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Pay attention. Ive repeatedly said its time for a change.

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Uh huh.

So you keep saying. In one breath.

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What are you laughing at? The last 11 years have given us more top 5 finishes than saban, mac, and Dietzel combined.
Its given us 6 top 10 finishes.
Its given us 2 of our 4 national title game appearances.

Its given us the best win% in lsu history.

Only a football ignorant person would say no.

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What would LSU's record for the last 11 years look like if Saban had stayed?

Much better I think.

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You do realize that Saban's tenure lost more games than miles' last 5 years right? Before mile got here we had 1 top 5 finish in over 2 decades.

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Here is your problem Rick. You are still thinking in a mindset from the 70's, only looking at the surface and not seeing the bigger deeper picture. I bet you're not a fan of advanced statistics, are you?

The surface when comparing coaches is w/l record. The deeper picture and advanced stats would be the circumstances surrounding the w/l record.

You talk strictly about w/l record when comparing miles to saban. You refuse to acknowledge the state of the program when saban took over vs the state of the program when miles took over.

Saban inherited a program that was 7-15 the prior 2 seasons. He completely changed everything about the program, from culture to operations to facilities, to turn into a top tier program from a floundering, underachieving mess.

Miles inherited a program that was 22-4 the prior 2 seasons. He had to maintain the top tier program. He did for a few years with saban's players, had another 2-3 really good/great years mixed in, and is now well on his way to returning the program to a floundering, underachieving mess.

Your implication with that statement is either that miles is a better coach than Saban, or miles was better at Lsu than Saban was. Both are patently, undeniably false. You just have to be more than a simpleton and look beyond the surface to see it.

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I'm not arguing to keep miles

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Yes you are. And it's ok, you don't need to hide it or be ashamed of it. You're just a simpleton that can't see the mess for what it truly is. Miles still has "the best tenure in Lsu history." He's still winning close to 80% of his games. He still won 1 national championship and played for another. He still has x amount of top 5 finishes. These are all reasons you and your fellow simpletons have been citing for keeping him as lsu's coach. They are no less true right now than they were last week, last summer, last year, the year before that, etc. just as the reasons everyone else that is capable of seeing the mess, poor game planning, poorly prepared teams, terrible clock management, terrible offense, are no more true now than they were last week, last summer, last year, the year before that, etc.

nope

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With Nick I always felt that no matter if LSU won or lost you could tell that the execution and effort was always at 100 percent and then some, save perhaps the bowl game with Iowa.

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2004 looked ugly the whole year.

We laid some yuuuuuuge eggs in 2002. VT, Bama, Auburn, the Cotton Bowl, the last minute meltdown against Arky. There was UAB in 2000. There was even the FU game in 2003. He averaged 3 losses a year.

I didn't read the op, im just assuming it's another one of dickcaddy4188's "all time winning percentage@ posts

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With Nick I always felt that no matter if LSU won or lost you could tell that the execution and effort was always at 100 percent and then some,

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We lost to uab with a roster loaded with future nfl players.

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We lost to uab with a roster loaded with future nfl players.

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ONE GAME...are YOU gonna judge a coach for ONE GAME????? You bitch at people all the time for saying this about Miles........... You dont know what to say at this point..........

And here comes the broken record......