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re: With LSU getting no national love...
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:03 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:03 am to atltiger6487
cheesburg in paradise
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:13 am to atltiger6487
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Nonsense. Nobody is calling for Les' job if he goes 11-1 or 10-2. Nobody
first off, "nobody" has got to be wrong. those people exist and in large numbers.
but with that in mind i'll change "calling for his job" to criticisms that had we had a competent coach we would've went undefeated yada yada.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:13 am to atltiger6487
Asking spread QB's to take snaps under center and not utilizing their talents is the biggest problem at this position. If you look at Bama last year, they changed their offense to match the skill sets of a below average QB and he excelled. They did not try to fit a square peg in a round hole like Les is trying to do with BH and AJ. Asking his QB's to run a pro offense with progression reads is difficult to master. I prefer that the offense spreads things out and scheme's players open for the QB instead of asking them to read the defense. Any one remember the 2007 offense with bubble screens, trick plays, spread offense, unpredictable plays, etc. I want that style of offense.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:17 am to TDTGodfather
Great post with some positive help from our fan base top three or one classes is possible almost every year our coaches certainly are doing their part .
I don't think Coach Miles hires duds !
I don't think Coach Miles hires duds !
Posted on 7/15/15 at 10:51 am to TDTGodfather
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his is the same mindset that thinks we are equal to Alabama in recruiting every yr. it's either willful ignorance or intentional in order to point out coaching shortcomings bc it obviously can't be the talent or execution on the field. coaching has to be the only factor.
who's ultimately in charge of putting talent on the field and teaching them to execute?
It's not like it's fair to say, oh well give coach a break because he is in his 11th season and doesn't have the same talent as some of the other teams. He's in CHARGE of that.
I think we go 9-3 this year with a bowl win to secure 10-3. Fan base gets restless, but barring anything short of 4-8, Les comes back. I think we'll poised for greatness in 2016 though. Experienced QBs, Dupre, Fournette, Godchaux, and Adams all will be juniors, better DL depth, 2nd year to learn Defensive system, big time recruiting class coming in to learn behind the vets.
For the program to get back on top, we have to win 9-10 games and absolutely cannot afford to go 7-5.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:45 am to LesTiger
quote:We return starters at every skill position, and excellent players (probable all-conference) all over the field. Team is relatively young, but has experience.
Why do so many of us have such high expectations for this year?
Les Miles, despite his constant ridicule, has a career average of 10-3 at LSU; he's been amazingly consistent. Our worst seasons under Les have been 8 win seasons.
New defensive coach- Steele isn't an exciting hire, but he's not a young new guy either. An average, competent coordinator (and he should be at least that) with LSU's talent should be fine. Orgeron is an upgrade at DL coach, and he brings an infectious enthusiasm to the game.
quote:Despite Brandon Harris' struggles, he had a more productive true freshman season than Johnny Manziel, Cam Newton, and a lot of other QBs. Remember, those guys didn't even play their first year. We don't know how much Harris absorbed over the past year, but we do know he's a legit physical talent (that much was displayed). If he's progressed to just competent with the playbook, we'll be ok.
Qb play is in the exact same position as last year and doesn't seem to be getting any better. It's obvious that Brandon Harris hasn't figured it out
Anthony Jennings, outside of his recent legal mess, is actually a solid addition to the team. He's been inconsistent, but he handles pressure and adversity very well. He may look physically overmatched a lot out there, but the fact remains, he has played above his ability a number of times to win games when we desperately needed him to. He's been the total opposite of Bo Wallace- stats are usu bad, not good; but if there's a high pressure drive needed, he has stepped up instead of choking. Examples- Arkansas 2013, Wisconsin, Florida. These were "oh my God we're going to lose" for most of the game, and he made big plays to win.
quote:The media loves to look for new and fresh stories. LSU has been good for over a decade, so they tend to ignore us unless we're in position to be #1. Look at Oklahoma, too- how much hype do you recall ever hearing about the Sooners? And yet, they're probably going to win at least 9 games and be in a decent bowl, yet again.
With LSU getting no national love...
Why do so many of us have such high expectations for this year?
Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:47 am to Moustache
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who's ultimately in charge of putting talent on the field and teaching them to execute?
It's not like it's fair to say, oh well give coach a break because he is in his 11th season and doesn't have the same talent as some of the other teams. He's in CHARGE of that.
i'm not saying he gets a break, i'm saying he gets pretty much all the blame and none of the credit.
i'm not saying he's the best recruiter i'm saying hes a very good recruiter and his detractors like to pretend like everything is equal (or better) when it comes to talent so when the team falters it's not bc of dropped pass or a penalty etc it's because the coach probably did something wrong. Alabama has better talent than us but they have better talent than everyone. we're close, just like the Auburn's, Ole miss's, etc are close to us.
none of this absolves him 100% of losses but it doesn't indict him 100% on them either. when the team loses, he also loses. but when the team wins, he also wins.
i'm talking more about the people who think "we only won bc of this play it had nothing to do with coaching" but if we lose it's never bc of being out executed in a critical time or our guys making mistakes.
basically---- WR catches ball = "what great talent"
WR drops ball = Miles doesn't instill discipline/work the guys hard enough/teach them effectively etc. and i'm just so sick of it.
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I think we go 9-3 this year with a bowl win to secure 10-3.
that's kind of where i'm at and it will be a grave disappointment to many bc it probably won't be good enough to win the west even though it could be an improvement from last yr.
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 11:49 am
Posted on 7/15/15 at 12:01 pm to LesTiger
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Why do so many of us have such high expectations for this year?
Well according to many on here we have the best football coach in the history of the program....how can he have average seasons with incredible talent? Do we have incredible talent or has his recruiting fallen off along with our W/L record?
Posted on 7/15/15 at 12:38 pm to Moustache
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It's not like it's fair to say, oh well give coach a break because he is in his 11th season and doesn't have the same talent as some of the other teams. He's in CHARGE of that.
He lost three times the number of underclassmen to the NFL Draft than any other coach in the country.
I'd say he does fine with recruiting and development. He can't pay these kids six figure salaries to stay in school.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 12:39 pm to LesTiger
LSU fans are a too optimistic. In reality, if we are honest, LSU is now an average SEC team.
That's what the record shows.
That's what the record shows.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 1:47 pm to atltiger6487
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Nonsense. Nobody is calling for Les' job if he goes 11-1 or 10-2. Nobody.
bullshite! There are lots of idiots on the rant that would be ready and willing to string the man up if he finished the season with either of those two records. People on here piss all over Miles for winning the 2007 National Championship with two losses. Pay a little bit of attention to what you read on here and you'll see plenty of posts that bad mouth Miles for every little thing he does, be it a positive thing or a negative thing.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 1:57 pm to LesTiger
Depends:
NegaTigers; 0-12 or 2-10
PosiTigers: 14-0 National Championship win every game 50-0
Me: the worst 10-2 The Best The Natti!
NegaTigers; 0-12 or 2-10
PosiTigers: 14-0 National Championship win every game 50-0
Me: the worst 10-2 The Best The Natti!
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:03 pm to SpookeyTiger
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Unless we are close to the program, we don't really know what is happening. Some say the Spring Game is a measure but I wouldn't put much stock in that. I was at the OSU Spring Game and their fans were trashing Cardale Jones for his performance.
Those idiots kill me putting so much stock into the spring game. Both Barrett and Jones sucked in their spring game last year, and Jones sucked again this year.
Look Harris is an explosive dual threat QB. The most talented QB since Perriloux. We could kill the run game with him at the helm and any improvement as a QB in general, will be aided by the obvious improvement of the WRs, TEs, RBs and OL.
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:10 pm to atltiger6487
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Nonsense. Nobody is calling for Les' job if he goes 11-1 or 10-2. Nobody.
are you serious? Do you know LSU fans???Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:11 pm to LesTiger
The best mind in college football predictions is Phil Steele, and has us finishing second to Alabama, but he says it's a toss up cause we play in Tuscaloosa this year. I will say we always fare better there than in Tiger Stadium.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:19 pm to baobabtiger
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LSU fans are a too optimistic. In reality, if we are honest, LSU is now an average SEC team. That's what the record shows.
Dumbf**k
LSU is 4th in winning percentage in the SEC the last 3 years. LSU is 2nd in winning percentage in the SEC in the last 5 years. Only stupid assholes like you would look at a season in a vacuum and call the team average.
The record shows a down YEAR! one year, the previous 4 we won at least 10 games which is the measure of success. There has been only one team to go to the national championship game more than once the past 5 years. There has been only 3 teams that have won the SEC or SEC West the past 5 years. Two of those teams reside in Alabama, and the other, Louisiana.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:29 pm to atltiger6487
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Nonsense. Nobody is calling for Les' job if he goes 11-1 or 10-2. Nobody
Anything less than a NC I want him gone. Right now if you lose more than 1 game you don't have a chance at winning the West. You play to win not to come in 2nd
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:30 pm to Topwater Trout
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.how can he have average seasons with incredible talent? Do we have incredible talent or has his recruiting fallen off along with our W/L record?
top 5 recruiting classes.
top 20 finishes.
something's gotta give.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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how can he have average seasons with incredible talent? Do we have incredible talent or has his recruiting fallen off along with our W/L record?
This time around, there's fewer early entrants to the draft.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:56 pm to LesTiger
I don't have high expectations about this year. I expect an almost identical season as last year. As long as this QB issue exists at LSU, and we can't keep people on defense in school, we are going to continue to tread water.
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