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UpToPar
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re: Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
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where we have a pretty favorable schedule,


??? We play at Florida, Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. Probably one of the tougher schedules we've had in a while.


Goldrush25
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No, one full season is probably not going be enough to know if it's the right move, but I think it might be enough to know it's the wrong move.


This is probably closest to the way I feel about it but some folks don't want to hear this.

I think if Canada is just amazing he'll be gone in a season and we'd be back to square one, looking for a coordinator. I don't know how long that strategy can last.


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I think anything more than 4 losses or less than 3 can be attributed to the coaching change.



You coaching change people are hilarious. The dude coached 8 games last year and has been on the staff for nearly 3 years.


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whitefoot
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Florida, Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee

Which of those games will we be underdogs in???

Definitely one. Maybe two, but I'm going to puke if we lose to Florida again, so...

Y'all act like Tennessee is going to be good or something. And Ole Miss is a threat? We're going to skull frick those dudes. It's not going to be 2011 style, but I really don't think that game will be very competitive.


whitefoot
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I don't know how long that strategy can last.



I think that strategy is pretty sustainable. We have a big budget for assistants, so we will be able to attract the top candidates every year.
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UpToPar
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Y'all act like Tennessee is going to be good or something. And Ole Miss is a threat? We're going to skull frick those dudes. It's not going to be 2011 style, but I really don't think that game will be very competitive.


Tennessee will be better than Missouri was last year and Ole Miss still has plenty of talent. They may fold like a cheap lawn chair after all the shite that happened, but they are still dangerous.

My point was, this isn't an easy schedule in relation to previous years. Probably our toughest since 2011.


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UncleRuckus
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re: Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
Coaching change was needed. Whether or not O was the right hire is a huge question


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It obviously depends on how the season goes.

This is literally just asking a question for the sake of asking one.


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BayouBengal99
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re: Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
If he goes 8-4 it would be a big time failure and people will be doubting the hire with conviction. Unless we have tons of injuries which causes the fall it will be a failure in my eyes. He would have to either go 11-1 the next season or 11-2 with a win over Bama to change that perception, if 8-4 happens this season without lots of key injuries.

With injuries you just never know what can happen but he better not have a game where LSU isn't competitive either. If both 8-4 happens and he's not competitive in the loses then the pressure will be sky high. He needs to go 9-3 with a big bowl win so 10-3 or better IMO. For his own good and for LSU.


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BayouBengal99
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I agree next year could be tough for the offense but that defense will be ELITE! We will def see what he can do next year. We have to hang onto these Coordinators and to suspect that they would be gone after this year is a little far fetched. The rest of your post is spot on.

We will need for either (1) of the veteran QBs to step up or have one of our (2) highly ranked guys to step up. We could always try the (2) QB system, use one for inside the 20s then another for RZ situations, mix it up. OL is a huge concern next year. We really need to focus there this year for next.

We'll see what CEH has this year at the tail back position. I think we'll be ok but next year might just be our growing pains year. I could see 8-4 next year. But then again that defense should be damn good so we shouldn't need tons of points. If Canada is who we hoped he would be maybe he can find enough on the roster to out score most of our opponents.
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airfernando
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The TE coach did far better with the offense than the previous head coach and oc combined. Coaching change was years late.

You might can ask if the right coach was hired, but there is no question to ask as far as changing head coach.


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7nette
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I am expecting 8-4 this year and 10+ wins next year and do think the coaching change was a good move.


I don't expect us to have better results next year compared to this year. Defense will probably be better but the offense will likely take a step back with a new QB and less weapons on offense (at least that we know about right now)


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Space Cowboy
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Since when do we accept 8-4. No matter who is coach?


At a place like LSU, never.

Both Alabama and LSU get elite players. However, Alabama wins national championships and dominates LSU every year. LSU puts more players in the NFL than Alabama but loses to Alabama every year and gets lucky to get to go to a middle of the road bowl game. What's the difference? Obviously coaching. Hence, we had to make a coaching change because Les Miles wasn't cutting it. So hopefully Coach O can pick up the slack and bring our football program where it needs to be, at elite status because 8 - 4 and 9 - 3 at LSU is not going to get it.


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It was time for Miles to go so you don't even need a season to know if it was time for a change. Whether Orgeron was the right hire is the question. There may be signs this year one way or the other but barring something extreme it will probabaly be a couple years before that can be answered.

We already know the process and search was a pathetic failure, but Orgeron may be able to bail Alleva out.


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At least for fans, it doesn't matter. All O gets is one season to show he can deliver.


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whitefoot
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Tennessee will be better than Missouri was last year


Oh, well that changes everything.

We'll just have to agree to disagree my brother. There were several years since 2011 where our schedule was tougher than this year, either because we weren't as good as I expect us to be this year, or our opponents were better.


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re: Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
The coaching change was the right move

Whether we hired the best coach, will be determined


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semjase
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Usually, judgement is held off until the new coach has a few years to get his recruited players and system in place.
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I recall no such thing when Miles took over. Expectations were high with the talent he inherited. Same rules apply for O.
There's too much talent in the program now and the OC/DC are too highly regarded for there to be any lapse in the program.

Still one very weak area of the team and there are a few remaining weak links on the staff that will eventually need to be addressed.

Not really interested in more LSU Status Quo.

Not really interested in 10 wins.

Time to kick Crimson Devil arse and win the SEC!

We're close, but not quite there yet and will not be until those weak links are addressed.

With the weak links still active and helping continue the mediocrity, I see 10 wins as the absolute Zenith for this team; more likely a 9-3 regular season. (And that's good enough for many "Mediocrity is King" Louisiana residents)

Expect more in 2018 with the weak links removed...........



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re: Will 1 full season be enough to know if coaching change was the right move?
I think you have to approach this upcoming season with the idea that Alabama will be a likely loss, and Auburn, Florida and Tennessee are the benchmark games. In any given season, LSU under Miles would win 2 of 3 vs those.

I don't give Orgeron any slack; our program was stale but not dead. He should win at least 2 of those 3, and no other losses (again, we're accepting the Alabama loss).

Consider: we have Aranda continuing to implement his scheme, which should make up for the loss of talent (last year's defense was just learning his scheme), and we return a Sr QB with a talented favorite WR, and a great RB. And O got his feet wet last year.


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