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Why the Pound and Punt O Does Not Succeed (Long)
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:32 am
Working definition: the pound-n-punt is what we’ve been doing on O post’08.
Did you ever wonder why we ran so effectively vs OM and Bama and UF (probably the three best D’s beside ours in the SEC) but struggled against almost everybody else? Risher pointed out that the intensity for the Bama game was a different level than for most other games. But he also noted that it takes ‘Bama level intensity’ for our O to be somewhat effective. IOW, we make it a 4 qtr long big cat drill that requires simultaneous 6 on 6 ‘wins’ to be effective.
Jimmy Johnson (former U and Dallas Cowboys HC and Picayune HS asst and who has a degree in psychology I think) would point out that a team can only be expected to play at peak intensity about 4X a season. He was right.
Our approach to O may be effective from time-to-time but not across a season and even less so from season-to-season. It’s not a viable approach if we’re pursuing championships. Les already has in hand all the empirical evidence he would ever need to see that.
What we now need is a ceremony – have all the offense players and coaches walk over to the levee, build a raft, put the playbook on the raft, set it on fire, and launch into the Miss River. And then? Then have all the toilets in TS flush at the same time.
On to championships . . .
Did you ever wonder why we ran so effectively vs OM and Bama and UF (probably the three best D’s beside ours in the SEC) but struggled against almost everybody else? Risher pointed out that the intensity for the Bama game was a different level than for most other games. But he also noted that it takes ‘Bama level intensity’ for our O to be somewhat effective. IOW, we make it a 4 qtr long big cat drill that requires simultaneous 6 on 6 ‘wins’ to be effective.
Jimmy Johnson (former U and Dallas Cowboys HC and Picayune HS asst and who has a degree in psychology I think) would point out that a team can only be expected to play at peak intensity about 4X a season. He was right.
Our approach to O may be effective from time-to-time but not across a season and even less so from season-to-season. It’s not a viable approach if we’re pursuing championships. Les already has in hand all the empirical evidence he would ever need to see that.
What we now need is a ceremony – have all the offense players and coaches walk over to the levee, build a raft, put the playbook on the raft, set it on fire, and launch into the Miss River. And then? Then have all the toilets in TS flush at the same time.
On to championships . . .
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Posted on 12/10/14 at 11:36 am to AlwysATgr
The problem with pound and punt is you're a turnover and maybe a special teams play away from losing a game you dominate.
Pound and punt calls for no big plays from either team....which is difficult in this day and age of football.
Pound and punt calls for no big plays from either team....which is difficult in this day and age of football.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 12:57 pm to AlwysATgr
Wow. A rant post about our offense that actually makes sense! 
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:08 pm to AlwysATgr
Add onto that the fact we have poor QB play. At least a good QB can make the defense pay for stacking the box. We have been unable to do that, all year.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Chimlim
Playing close games only increases the chance to lose said close game. As another poster said, one mistake in a close game is huge.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:12 pm to AlwysATgr
It doesn't matter if it's pound and punt or if it's sprrad and punt or if it's run and gun and punt.
If you're punting a lot, your offense isn't doesn't work.
If you're punting a lot, your offense isn't doesn't work.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:31 pm to KG5989
Yeah, other schemes punt as well.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:37 pm to AlwysATgr
A "I wish we ran a spread like when we had crowton" thread
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:37 pm to AlwysATgr
I would agree with this. But what I don't understand is that when you consistently have a defense as good as ours, why not take an attack approach on offense like (this kills me) Oregon. Regardless of scheme, we don't attack on offense, we try to manage.
I liked the additions in the A&M game. I hope they build on that moving forward as Cam has suggested.
I liked the additions in the A&M game. I hope they build on that moving forward as Cam has suggested.
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:38 pm to AlwysATgr
We have proven to be a highly-motivated team against top competition and care-less against inferior ones. (generally speaking)
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:48 pm to Douboy
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Regardless of scheme, we don't attack on offense, we try to manage.
How I see it as well. For my part, I don't care what scheme we run or plays we call or personnel sets we use or who's at QB and on and on IF we're winning championships. But what we're doing ain't getting it done. And IMHO, our refusal to attack on O agressively is a huge factor over the course of a season.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 1:53 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
Did you ever wonder why we ran so effectively vs OM and Bama and UF (probably the three best D’s beside ours in the SEC) but struggled against almost everybody else? Risher pointed out that the intensity for the Bama game was a different level than for most other games. But he also noted that it takes ‘Bama level intensity’ for our O to be somewhat effective. IOW, we make it a 4 qtr long big cat drill that requires simultaneous 6 on 6 ‘wins’ to be effective.
Jimmy Johnson (former U and Dallas Cowboys HC and Picayune HS asst and who has a degree in psychology I think) would point out that a team can only be expected to play at peak intensity about 4X a season. He was right.
Our approach to O may be effective from time-to-time but not across a season and even less so from season-to-season. It’s not a viable approach if we’re pursuing championships. Les already has in hand all the empirical evidence he would ever need to see that.
What we now need is a ceremony – have all the offense players and coaches walk over to the levee, build a raft, put the playbook on the raft, set it on fire, and launch into the Miss River. And then? Then have all the toilets in TS flush at the same time.
On to championships . . .
I don't think our offense is tied to intensity and focus any more than other offenses are.
I can think of a ton of arguments for why our offensive style may not be optimal, but this argument is poor, IMO.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:18 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
Our approach to O may be effective from time-to-time but not across a season and even less so from season-to-season.
Our approach to O since 2008, is pretty consistently in the 45th percentile in terms of offensive efficiency (including 43rd this year). However, in two seasons, being 2011 and 2013, our passing efficiency was in the top 25 of CFB, and our total offensive efficiency broke into Top 10.
Trendspotting:
2010: 92nd Passing Efficiency, 43rd Offensive Efficiency
2011: 24th Passing Efficiency, 9th Offensive Efficiency
2012: 79th Passing Efficiency, 45th Offensive Efficiency
2013: 6th Passing Efficiency, 9th Offensive Efficiency
2014: 72nd Passing Efficiency, 43rd Offensive Efficiency
Improvement in the passing game, and therefore the offense overall, is a direct result of having a quarterback struggling in his first year as a starter and making offseason adjustments.
I don't understand why this is a difficult concept for some.
Experienced QB = Efficient Offense.
Inexperienced QB = Inefficient Offense.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:54 pm to chilge1
How are you defining "offensive efficiency"?
Posted on 12/10/14 at 2:56 pm to AlwysATgr
It is a losing formula from a championship perspective.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:01 pm to UnAnon
quote:
A "I wish we ran a spread like when we had crowton" thread
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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Why the Pound and Punt O Does Not Succeed
Crap I thought I was on the OT for a minute there and this thread was about One nighters
This post was edited on 12/10/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:09 pm to a want
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The problem with pound and punt is you're a turnover and maybe a special teams play away from losing a game you dominate.
Pound and punt calls for no big plays from either team....which is difficult in this day and age of football.
I do agree with this but love seeing a power running game smash up a defense. Just a little decent QB play and we are fine.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:12 pm to Phil A Sheo
We had a very young QB that needs to grow andthrow the ball better and all new recievers, and on defense until replacing Welter with Beckwith we couldn't stop anybody. Recruit better MLB's and get more depth and better recruits at QB.
Posted on 12/10/14 at 3:13 pm to dagrippa
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do agree with this but love seeing a power running game smash up a defense. Just a little decent QB play and we are fine.
Yeah. You just have to be able to threaten with the pass.
We haven't (with the exception of last year) for 7 years
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