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Who gets the credit or the blame?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:14 pm
With our new coaching model - Get the best OC and DC out there and a HC that gives them the freedom to succeed - will our fans credit/blame the AD, HC, or OC/DC in the event of success/failure? I will go out on a limb and say I think our chances of bringing in a Top Dollar HC that could beat Saban consistently were very slim - so I am on board with trying this model. I am going to credit the AD when it works.
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:21 pm to tigbit
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I will go out on a limb and say I think our chances of bringing in a Top Dollar HC that could beat Saban consistently were very slim
We will never know because we didn't even try.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:24 pm to tigbit
No one beats saban regularly and that includes Jimbo, urban, and harbaugh. Les sure as hell wasn't beating him. There were no home run hires coming here. I'll give credit to O if he can pull it off.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:25 pm to TigerFanFromBama
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We will never know because we didn't even try.
How many coaches are out there that can? Between 0 and 1.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:35 pm to tigbit
AD/DC 
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:41 pm to tigbit
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chances of bringing in a Top Dollar HC that could beat Saban consistently were very slim
Beating him consistently<---------------->[HUGE HUGE HUGE MIDDLE GROUND]<---------------->Never beating him
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:36 pm to tigbit
Alleva was looking really bad for a while. Baseball made a CWS final then he hired wade. Many are excited about what wades doing. If O does well and Lsu wins 10+ imo he should get some props. He may just get the last laugh. He would deserve it if we see our tigers contend. We've slammed him for a lot of decisions so we should credit him if we see football and basketball follow the success that baseball had. It is about winning for the most part
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 2:55 am to TigerFanFromBama
quote:"Yes Mr. Alleva, I want to talk with Texas before making a final decision."
We will never know because we didn't even try.
Mr. Alleva immediately tucks tail and runs away
Doesn't even try to market or sell TH on the advantages of coaching here. Pitiful and pathetic display. Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:53 am to semjase
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"Yes Mr. Alleva, I want to talk with Texas before making a final decision."
To my understanding, a verbal with Hermann was done. His dream job opens up at Texas. HIS DREAM JOB. When this scenario unfolded, LSU was not getting Hermann.
Now settling for O is a different story and a different argument. Arguments could have been made to go after other coaches - Fedora - Fuentes - whoever. LSU had no shot at Hermann when Texas offered.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:58 am to teeMike
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LSU had no shot at Hermann when Texas offered
Because Alleva immediately tucked tail and ran away.
ETA: As for the original question, the head coach gets credit for all wins and losses. Although that will be a change of direction for many here.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 7:00 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:08 am to tigbit
this is not our new coaching model. it is situational and I can't understand many folks inability to see that. hiring an established HC from a major program that is very successful is very desirable but damn tough doesn't work often. bama did it. ohio state did it but both were very very fortunate that the circumstances allowed it. so the choice is usually an up and comer. is just so happens that the up and comers this search were just not that great. coach O seemed like the best choice at the time.
we shall see. if it doesn't work out we will be looking again in a few years. that is actually normal. LSU needs to get lucky like we did when we hired a "pretty successful" HC from Michigan state. at that time there were many Tiger fans unhappy with the hire BUT social media was not there to rip his balls out every failure he experienced, which were quite a lot actually with an average year containing 3 losses.
what I hope real LSU fans do is give our new HC a chance before judging him. AT THIS POINT, he deserves that.
i'm damn sure pulling for him. HE'S LSU'S COACH. and i'm LSU. :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers:
we shall see. if it doesn't work out we will be looking again in a few years. that is actually normal. LSU needs to get lucky like we did when we hired a "pretty successful" HC from Michigan state. at that time there were many Tiger fans unhappy with the hire BUT social media was not there to rip his balls out every failure he experienced, which were quite a lot actually with an average year containing 3 losses.
what I hope real LSU fans do is give our new HC a chance before judging him. AT THIS POINT, he deserves that.
i'm damn sure pulling for him. HE'S LSU'S COACH. and i'm LSU.
:geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers: :geauxtigers:
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:10 am to LSU GrandDad
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coach O seemed like the best choice at the time.
Lolololololololololol
Posted on 7/13/17 at 7:29 am to tigbit
O gets the credit
Dumbass you are
Dumbass you are
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:23 am to semjase
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Yes Mr. Alleva, I want to talk with Texas before making a final decision." Mr. Alleva immediately tucks tail and runs away Doesn't even try to market or sell TH on the advantages of coaching here. Pitiful and pathetic display.
is this just a lie or is it a fabricated rumor that circulated enough to become "internet fact".
either way, you have no idea what you are talking about. you are merely contributing to a narrative that you "buy into" and present it as fact. I hope to hell you never end up in a responsible decision making position.
Herman made his choice and it was not LSU. BLAME HERMAN; it was his decision.
last newsflash; there is absolutely zero guarantee that Herman would be successful at LSU. he's gonna look a lot better following the failure of Strong than the success of Miles.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:26 am to LSU GrandDad
Joe Alleva said only one person received an offer to coach LSU. Are you calling Joe Alleva a liar?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:30 am to LSU GrandDad
The model described by the OP whereby the school hires the very best OC and DC and the HC's job is to stand by and "let them do their jobs" is novel.
to the best of my knowledge, it exists nowhere else in football. It also acknowledges that the HC is a mere figurehead who need have no real HC skills.
Is that where we are?
to the best of my knowledge, it exists nowhere else in football. It also acknowledges that the HC is a mere figurehead who need have no real HC skills.
Is that where we are?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:43 am to tigbit
no matter what any HC claims, he knows it's ultimately his arse on the line.
The whole I am gonna get out of the way and let my assistants coach works right up until the first loss and the press conf after. Reporter "coach it seems the gameplan to limit the run allowed TeamA to move the ball successfully throwing the ball downfield to open receivers in one on one coverage. Why didn't you change the gameplan".
Coach "well you gonna have to wait and ask the DC that question as he runs the Defense"
Of course that is silly and that is my point. The HC is always responsible good or bad. Every coach knows it.
And many coaches are willing to give assistants leeway and power right up and until you lose. That's when the HC will step in and try and fix it. And he should. That's his job.
O will be no different utilmately for better or worse LSU is his team not Canada's or Aranda's.
The whole I am gonna get out of the way and let my assistants coach works right up until the first loss and the press conf after. Reporter "coach it seems the gameplan to limit the run allowed TeamA to move the ball successfully throwing the ball downfield to open receivers in one on one coverage. Why didn't you change the gameplan".
Coach "well you gonna have to wait and ask the DC that question as he runs the Defense"
Of course that is silly and that is my point. The HC is always responsible good or bad. Every coach knows it.
And many coaches are willing to give assistants leeway and power right up and until you lose. That's when the HC will step in and try and fix it. And he should. That's his job.
O will be no different utilmately for better or worse LSU is his team not Canada's or Aranda's.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:52 am to tigbit
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I am going to credit the AD when it works.
Why? He made the most obvious hire he could possibly make, and the easiest. Thibodeaux from Pierre Part could have done the exact same thing from a pay phone.
Give credit where credit is due. Coach O is running the show, he hired Canada, and he recruited much of the talent. Hell, Miles deserves more credit than the AD for hiring Aranda.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:54 am to tigbit
If it works, O gets the credit. If it doesn't work, Alleva gets the blame.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:26 am to tigbit
Personally I think Coach O needs to be successful with more than two awesome coordinators before he starts getting credit. If we lose one and he hires another and we continue to have success he'll start getting credit.
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