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re: Which poster has been the most critical of Miles over the last 7 or 8 years?
Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:57 pm to LSUsmartass
Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:57 pm to LSUsmartass
SFP deserves some mention here. I was also a vocal critic, but I can't compete with him when it comes to shear post volume.
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:59 pm to LSUsmartass
In terms of quality or quantity. I think if its quantity, SFP probably wins no matter the topic.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:01 pm to cj2002
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Ryno, I couldnt agree more.
If you want a example of what level coach miles is all you need to do is look at his record from Oky st.
4 yrs only made 3 bowl games and only won 1 of those.
Les Miles' best coaching jobs were at OSU. That's not even a question. Look at what they were before him. Before Les Miles got to OSU in 2001, the Cowboys had had just ONE winning season since 1989. After his first year with Oklahoma State, he reeled off three straight winning seasons. It was pretty damn impressive. Doesn't take away from his failings now, though.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:02 pm to cj2002
Saban was no world beater at sparty though
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:03 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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"2006"
LSU loss a title shot in 06 for one reason and one reason only. The players on the feild at Fla. fumbled the game away time after time.
Anyone not able to admit that simple fact is blinded by bias to the point they make themselves appear foolish and their opinions, but knock yourself out.
The 2006 Auburn game was a lot like the Auburn game this year. We lost both for the same, sad reason. Head coach refusal to attack Auburn's vulnerability until the last drive.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:04 pm to LSUsmartass
Too soon
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:13 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
This should be many pages of venom spewing once it gets rolling!
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:34 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The posters that hate me just think their opinions outweigh facts.
Nobody hates you Rick. I think people got pissed because you tried to use "facts" (particularly his past accomplishments) to justify the shitshow he was marching out there the last few years.
Its not always about records when judging success or failure. Sometimes it about maximizing your talent and living up to perceived potential....which I think CLM failed miserably at.
There are other intangibles when judging these issues as well. I think you can certainly understand that point of view....cant you??
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:38 pm to LosLobos111
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Saban was no world beater at sparty though
Actually Miles was more successful at OSU than Saban was at MSU. Saban had 1 season with more than 7 wins at MSU. 3 of his 5 seasons at MSU he had 6 wins.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:42 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Nobody hates you Rick
They most certainly do. You and i get along and have cordially disagreed on issues.
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s not always about records when judging success or failure.
Coaches are judged on their wins and losses. In 20 years no one will remember or care about nuances of past lsu football. Outside of a major scandal wins and losses are all coaches are judged on.
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Sometimes it about maximizing your talent and living up to perceived potential....which I think CLM failed miserably at.
Please let me know how having the best tenure ever at an alltime top 10 program is "FAILING MISERABLY". You say he failed with all this talent when he has had the best tenure in lsu history. If miles failed miserably then every single lsu coach ever has failed.
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to justify the shitshow he was marching out there the last few years.
And this is where we differ. The last 4 years we are 2nd in the sec in wins. While its certainly not our goal its in no way a shite show. The last 4 years( im not even counting 2011) have produced as many top 16 finishes as Saban's tenure at lsu.
Im glad Miles is gone and i think we have a very bright future but to call 3 top 16 finishes a shitshow isnt fair.
If we count last year as 10 wins then we have 3 10 win seasons in the past 4 years while playing in the hardest division in the hardest conference in cfb. All of 1 other sec program has done that.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:04 pm to LSUsmartass
What ever anyone thinks of Miles as a coach, he actually has left whoever the next coach will be more talent and depth than he was left by Saban. While many instances are splitting hairs, and the difference is not much, this is not a situation like Dale Brown, where despite bringing the program to great heights, it was actually worse off than when he started.
Give the administration credit to do the same thing Florida St did with Bowden and not let a Texas situation happen, where they allowed to talent to be depleted before making a change
Give the administration credit to do the same thing Florida St did with Bowden and not let a Texas situation happen, where they allowed to talent to be depleted before making a change
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Actually Miles was more successful at OSU than Saban was at MSU. Saban had 1 season with more than 7 wins at MSU. 3 of his 5 seasons at MSU he had 6 wins.
MSU was going on probation when Saban took that job, he probably inherited a very mediocre roster to begin with. How about Bobby Williams turning what Saban built there into complete and utter shite in less than 3 seasons? It's not a program that is easy to win at consistently. I don't give a shite, it's just that everyone that writes anything about Saban on here recently conveniently leaves out the probation as a potential factor in his record there. I recall Miles inheriting an offense at OSU with some highly productive players--QB, WRs, RBs yet his final season after they were gone OSU averaged 17 passes a game, where have I seen that in another program recently??
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Please let me know how having the best tenure ever at an alltime top 10 program is "FAILING MISERABLY". You say he failed with all this talent when he has had the best tenure in lsu history. If miles failed miserably then every single lsu coach ever has failed.
This is why your premise is flawed. Football isn't played over the entire course of a coach's career. It is played in seasons. The objective isn't to win the most games in a coaching career, it is to win the most games in a season. If you evaluate a coach on the basis of his career record, you are picking a lagging indicator to base program decisions on. Coach Miles' time here was a success. His last few seasons were not. That is why your analysis is flawed. The game and this conference changed. Miles did not. That is why he is watching his beloved team play now instead of coaching them.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 8:23 am
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:08 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Nobody hates you Rick. I think people got pissed because you tried to use "facts" (particularly his past accomplishments) to justify the shitshow he was marching out there the last few years. Its not always about records when judging success or failure. Sometimes it about maximizing your talent and living up to perceived potential....which I think CLM failed miserably at.
Stop arguing with him, Red. Miles was fired, as he should've been, but Rick's still hanging on.
Let him keep spouting his facts. The rest of us have moved onward and upward.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And this is where we differ. The last 4 years we are 2nd in the sec in wins. While its certainly not our goal its in no way a shite show. The last 4 years( im not even counting 2011) have produced as many top 16 finishes as Saban's tenure at lsu.
Well...I guess we will just have to disagree on this one. I just personally feel we left way too much on the table. we won games....but not at the pace I personally felt we should have given the talent and expectations. There were way too many glaring frickups to overlook on the field. And the bottom line is this....if you get owned by your fiercest rival for 5 straight years.....that in itself is a colossal failure.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:59 pm to LSUsmartass
King Kong ain't got nuthin on me
Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:03 pm to therick711
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This is why your premise is flawe
Im using he premise that every coach is measured by.
No one remembers how shitty the sec was during Saban's tenure.
A coaches tenure outweighs individual seasons and will always outweigh individual seasons.
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n. Coach Miles' time here was a success. His last few seasons were not. That is why your analysis is flawed.
My analysis is a fact. At no point did i say our last few years were successful. I said they werent a shite show. I even stated that the last few havent been where we want them.
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The game and this conference changed.
The talent in the conference changed. Nothing else has changed.
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That is why he is watching his beloved team play now instead of coaching them.
And i was in favor of his firing. At no point did i say i want miles here or wish he wasnt fired. It was time for a change and ive even said that watching lsu has become fun again the last 4 games.
It was time for miles to go but to act like our last 4 years have been shite is just setting yourself up for failure when the next coach doesnt come in the sec west and rattle off 10 win seasons every year. There is all of 1 sec program winning 10 games every year.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:11 pm to RedTigerRulz
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but not at the pace I personally felt we should have given the talent and expectations.
We were not that talented in 2014. We were talented but the mass exodus of juniors destroyed our depth where we started the 2nd most freshmen in the country.
2013 can be directly blamed on the defense. We put up 40 points and lost.
2015 we were talented but the only unacceptable loss was arky.
quote:agreed
There were way too many glaring frickups to overlook on the field.
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if you get owned by your fiercest rival for 5 straight years.....that in itself is a colossal failure.
What? In no fricking way is 3 10 win seasons out 4 years a colossal failure. Come on man. We dont play in the acc or big 12 where there is all of 2 programs that recruit at a very high level.
I agree Miles made too many mistakes but to say the last 4 years have been a colossal failure is just setting yourself up to hate the next coach. I find it hard to believe that of we win 10 games 3 of the next 4 years you call it a colossal failure.
We werent where we wanted to be but its wasnt some 7-6 or 8-5 seasons we had the last 5 years.
You say the last 4 yearsare a colossal failure when only 1 other sec program has had a better last 4 years in terms of consistency.
Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:14 pm to atltiger6487
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Stop arguing with him, Red. Miles was fired, as he should've been, but Rick's still hanging on.
What? Ive said in this thread im glad miles is gone. Good god. Just because i refuse to say the last 4 years have been shite doesnt mean i dont think we could do better with a better coach than Les Miles. If you bothered woth reading comprehension you'd know this.
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Let him keep spouting his facts. The rest of us have moved onward and upward.
Oh the irony is glorious. Every day there is a new thread that is shitting on miles. Every Single Day.
Do you also tell those posters to move on or are those posts ok because they fit your opinion?
ETA: Red and I dont argue. We cordially discuss topics. It never gets personal or testy no matter how much we disagree on a subject.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 10/25/16 at 7:16 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Thank You. Kudos to accomplishing several things in one succinct post:
Miles is gone. But the question remains, How bad was Miles really? (its important to evaluate, when considering the next hire). He obviously brought in talent, but the current success is a huge indictment on Miles' gameday ability. We have coaches that have never been considered great now breaking offensive records, by just doing what Miles refused to do even when it was obvious to the whole stadium what needed to be done.
Just think what a true tactician could do here....
Other teams' fans see it, and they'd be more than happy for us to keep O. i think potential coaches see it and it makes the job more appealing than we realize. Hell, Saban knew LSU was a sleeping giant in the 90s. Look how much more potential we have now.
1. Why it's important to learn history [insert cliche]
2. Why LSU's specific history may affect it in near future
3. That the evaluation of Miles is indeed ongoing
4. Hints of what is needed, with current staff, to maintain or bolster post-Miles gains (still TBD)
5. The idea of staff vs "HC + Assistants" and which is more effective (also still in evaluation ongoing)
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