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When does getting a technical help your team?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:13 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:13 am
Apparently when you can't in-bound the ball and call a time out, even though you don't have any available (see Georgia tonight). LSU gets one foul shot (misses) and Georgia gets the ball back?
How does this make sense when if Georgia didn't actually call the time out it would have been LSU's ball?
How does this make sense when if Georgia didn't actually call the time out it would have been LSU's ball?
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:18 am to ChEgrad
I think a head coach getting a technical early in a game if his team is playing shitty works more often than not to wake his team up.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:18 am to ChEgrad
That the refs essentially gave them a TO after the missed FT was the biggest problem.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:25 am to saintsfan22
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That the refs essentially gave them a TO after the missed FT was the biggest problem.
I hear you. They even put chairs on the court for their players to sit.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 12:34 am to ChEgrad
Seriously. I don't understand how they got the ball back there.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:01 am to ChEgrad
One of the many quirks in basketball.
Another one is the bullshite fouls before the inbound pass. For a crew that had no problem calling 55 fouls during the game, they didn't have the balls to call the intentional foul on those two inbounding fouls.
According to the play-by-play:
UGA scored 10 points on 5 possessions in 14 seconds of game time despite having only 1 steal. Meanwhile, LSU never actually had possession while the game clock was running during that stretch.
How the frick does that happen?
Another one is the bullshite fouls before the inbound pass. For a crew that had no problem calling 55 fouls during the game, they didn't have the balls to call the intentional foul on those two inbounding fouls.
According to the play-by-play:
UGA scored 10 points on 5 possessions in 14 seconds of game time despite having only 1 steal. Meanwhile, LSU never actually had possession while the game clock was running during that stretch.
How the frick does that happen?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:11 am to slackster
The same thing's been bugging me so I decided to read through the rule book. To my surprise there is no such thing as an "intentional foul" in the NCAA rules.
Also on the inbounds, the ball is not "live" until the inbounding player has the ball. So if contact occurs while the ball is in the LSU players hand it's just a run of the mill personal foul.
If contact happens before the LSU inbounder touches the ball then it should be a "Dead Ball Technical" for "unnecessary or excessive contact" during a dead ball, which results in 2 shots and ball.
Also I can't find anything in the rule book about fouling another player that doesn't have the ball. Say if you want to foul their worst free throw shooter off the ball. It looks like it's perfectly legal.
Refs can call anything they want though. I guess anything deemed excessive or unsportsmanlike.
NCAA Rule Book
Also on the inbounds, the ball is not "live" until the inbounding player has the ball. So if contact occurs while the ball is in the LSU players hand it's just a run of the mill personal foul.
If contact happens before the LSU inbounder touches the ball then it should be a "Dead Ball Technical" for "unnecessary or excessive contact" during a dead ball, which results in 2 shots and ball.
Also I can't find anything in the rule book about fouling another player that doesn't have the ball. Say if you want to foul their worst free throw shooter off the ball. It looks like it's perfectly legal.
Refs can call anything they want though. I guess anything deemed excessive or unsportsmanlike.
NCAA Rule Book
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:32 am to RGJ18
I think the penalty for calling a TO without having one is a free throw for the other team. Basically it's like "you can get a timeout you'll just have to give the other team a free throw If u don't have a free one to call" but then again idk what happened with the Chris Webber situation
Posted on 1/27/16 at 5:57 am to KamaCausey_LSU
There is no longer any such thing as an intentional foul. A few years ago that terminology was scrapped in favor of "flagrant fouls". And with it, the ability to call an enhanced foul in some situations, especially end of game fouls.
The benefit is the flagrant foul rules are less subjective than the intentional foul rules were. Overall I think it's a wash, although I will say the added replay review time these days is often ridiculous.
The benefit is the flagrant foul rules are less subjective than the intentional foul rules were. Overall I think it's a wash, although I will say the added replay review time these days is often ridiculous.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:38 am to ChEgrad
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:16 am to ChEgrad
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How does this make sense when if Georgia didn't actually call the time out it would have been LSU's ball?
The referee should have known Georgia had no time outs, and not stopped play. Referees are always double-checking with the official scorekeeper during time outs to keep up with the number time outs each team has remaining. The mistake was that the referee recognized the Georgia player trying to call a time out.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:47 am to el gato
Pretty much Georgia gave up 1 FT in order to have a full timeout. That was the biggest load of shite ever.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:42 am to GeauxTime9
The rule which is a screwed up is that if a TO is taken without any TOs left the offending team only gives up one free throw, is awarded the timeout, and then gets the ball back. Totally worth it in a situation like last night IMO.
Also I know intentional fouls have gone away, however I have seen them call it in a few instances this year. Can't pinpoint the game but I remember CJJ working the refs for a call in the last minute for an intentional foul, where we got the shots and the ball.
Also I know intentional fouls have gone away, however I have seen them call it in a few instances this year. Can't pinpoint the game but I remember CJJ working the refs for a call in the last minute for an intentional foul, where we got the shots and the ball.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:26 am to RGJ18
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Seriously. I don't understand how they got the ball back there.
That's not the issue. They get the ball. I get that. Letting them have a timeout AND the ball is where the refs fricked up royally.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:30 am to ChEgrad
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Apparently when you can't in-bound the ball and call a time out, even though you don't have any available (see Georgia tonight). LSU gets one foul shot (misses) and Georgia gets the ball back?
They were still given the TO
Shows you how absolutely pathetic the officiating was last night.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:38 am to Jester
According to the ESPN guys that is the rule
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:40 am to More beer please
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They were still given the TO
Shows you how absolutely pathetic the officiating was last night.
I'm not going to pretend i've looked the rule up but the announcers said that is the rule. They get the timeout.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:48 am to bbap
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I'm not going to pretend i've looked the rule up but the announcers said that is the rule. They get the timeout.
It does not explicitly state they get the timeout. It can be assumed, but you could also argue the contrary.
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Art. 7. A team shall not be granted excessive timeouts without penalty.
PENALTY—One free throw awarded to the offended team.
(Art. 7) Penalized when discovered before the ball becomes live. The ball
shall be put back in play at the point of interruption
You could argue that it states they shall not be granted one WITHOUT penalty, hinting that they still will grant it.
But you could also argue that it the penalty section does not allow for the timeout. Team is penalized when discovered before the ball becomes live again. The penalty is assessed and the ball is put back in play at the point of interruption.
Eta: I have never seen the offending team be granted the timeout.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:54 am to More beer please
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Eta: I have never seen the offending team be granted the timeout.
Neither have I but they said it's a new rule.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:57 am to UptownnMike
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but then again idk what happened with the Chris Webber situation
Rule was different then... and more fair. The one shot, but you still get your timeout and the ball back is horrendous.
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