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Madking
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
I have the media guide you moron and there's no stat for what you're saying only total offensive TDs. Did you not know we play more games in a season now than we did pre 2005 lol? Here are the top 5 teams for offensive TDs per game. You can figure the ppg if you want but it won't change the fact that you're full of shite.

2013 - 4.6
2007 - 4.6
1969 - 4.4
1977 - 4.3
2006 - 4.2
Just for kicks how about coach Os offense last season 4.38 TDs per game good for third all time compared to Miles 1.75 lol. Sorry once again you've been proven false and called on your bull shite. So go ahead crawfish again and spin some more you zero.
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drizztiger
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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You guys are all missing the point. Saban, Miles, Orgeron, any competent head coach can bring a program to it's potential, if allowed to do so.
I read whole post, but O isn't competent HC. Nothing in his history shows he's a competent HC.
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the Good Ol Boys got their claws back into things. And they started tearing shite up, because it wasn't being run the way they wanted it.
And Alleva is a eunuch. LSU football is #4 profitable in all of NCAA. Over the likes of Bama and tOSU. Lil Joe gets bullied by good ole boys, faction of fanbase, Tom Herman and Jimbo Fisher. And he has no answer. The 90s are about to be put on repeat.

Idiots that think it can't happen - that LSU is too strong - need to look at some other major programs that decided to be complacent and are struggling to get back into the mix. Emmert/Saban had vision to make LSU elite. Skip did okay with Miles, but still a step down. Now Alleva has hired a DL coach that was out of football 3 years ago to run the program. If it was that dire after 4 months of coach search, hire Aranda.


TheDeathValley
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
Has to win at least one National Championship just to be in the conversation. After that, must have one or more of the following:

5+ 11 win seasons
2-3 CFP Appearances
1-2 CFP Title Appearances
1 Additonal Championship
5+ Top Ten Recruting Classes

Can still be a great coach without be GOAT. I'm thinking CEO is more of the keep the program alive until we land our next big fish.


Tiger1988
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
Coach Paul Dietzel is the GOAT. Built a winner from nothing; won a NC which could have easily been 3 in a 4 year period. That 14-13 loss to Tenn in '59 still haunts my dad. Ole Miss was just the better team that year. The '61 team might have been his best.
BTW - he did also hire Bo Rein, but passed on Bobby Bowden.


danfraz
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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Scoob




Nailed it. Seriously that was the truth.


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Madking
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
Didn't he also build South Carolina into a legit program? I think he even wrote their fight song.


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lsu1919
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
I've often wondered how big space cowboys mouth is since he keeps trying to fit nick sabans and coach o's dicks in it at the same time.


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drizztiger
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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I'm thinking CEO is more of the keep the program alive until we land our next big fish.
Which fish is this? LSU is back to Joe Dean budget.

Emmert made it a point to brand LSU and Saban was hired as the #3 highest paid coach in NCAA at the time - $1.2mil/yr.

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Nick Saban left bowl-bound Michigan State on Tuesday for Louisiana State, a job that will nearly double his salary and make him one of the country's top-paid coaches.

He signed a five-year contract for about $1.2 million annually, joining a select group of millionaire coaches that includes Bobby Bowden of Florida State, Steve Spurrier of Florida and Phillip Fulmer of Tennessee.

Skip hired Miles for $1.25 mil/yr in 2005 as #28 paid coach, 5 years later.

Alleva hired CEO as #37 paid coach - and it was a HUGE stretch to pay him that much. No competition for his talents. Just this is what HC is slotted to get paid. Retarded.



Scoob
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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You guys are all missing the point. Saban, Miles, Orgeron, any competent head coach can bring a program to it's potential, if allowed to do so.

I read whole post, but O isn't competent HC. Nothing in his history shows he's a competent HC.
Yep, you're right. O wasn't in demand anywhere, not even here a couple years ago. We already saw what he could do with a program.

I don't remember if I truly believed it when it happened, but looking back, I think the program was fricked when Orgeron was hired on staff.
I don't think he was Les' choice, he was never part of Les' tree and I think Miles was wary of him. O was a bit of a buffoon at Ole Miss, and he went from loyal Kiffin guy to heavily campaigning for the USC job once he got the interim gig. And then left before the bowl game when he wasn't considered. Doesn't sound like continuity and the kids was his emphasis there, it sounds like whatever was good for O, was what he was after.

I think he weaseled his way into the LSU booster system, and was forced on Miles after some politics. I doubt Miles ever trusted him, and this probably poisoned the coaching offices. Not sure how Aranda views all this, but I doubt he sticks around long... O's set himself up as not responsible for any failures, that's all on the coordinators to do things. All O does is get credit.

Oh yeah, he's a good recruiter... y'all remember when being a good recruiter meant that they'd slip you in as RB coach, ST coach, or something else fairly minor? The head guy didn't have time to glad-hand all the kids and their parents, he was running the actual program, he might come seal the deal.


Madking
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
This is what we are dealing with and it's a complete joke. We had this good ole boy political bull shite going on for along time here before Emmert came and showed what could be done at LSU. When he left you felt it immediately with Skip who I love but as an AD was nothing more than a bean counter and used car salesman. Now Alleva a total joke when it comes to the big boys of college football. You pair that guy with the ultimate crook Alexander and someone like John Bell and you have the trifecta that's taking us back to the early days of Joe Dean and LSU. When you have what we have in place things will rot from the inside very quickly it's not a presumption it's a proven fact that history proves time and time again. We better hope we catch lightning in a bottle with O and our two coordinators in the first couple of years beacause after that the only good times will be at the P-Mac until this scum is removed.


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BananaHammock
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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I don't think he was Les' choice, he was never part of Les' tree and I think Miles was wary of him.

Of course the guy who knew deep inside that he was in over his head would be wary of someone not in his "tree". And he should have been wary - that buffoon, as you called O, ended up taking Les' job. Doesn't say much about the guy you're worshipping, eh?

Aside from Cam (we know the story there), how have the others in the Les Miles coaching tree fared?
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danfraz
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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I think he weaseled his way into the LSU booster system, and was forced on Miles after some politics. I doubt Miles ever trusted him, and this probably poisoned the coaching offices



I agree with this. He would do that radio stuff campaigning for a gig from afar. Once he got it, he got in Allevas ear and sort of sabotaged the staff.

That's my view from a distance. Miles should have been let go after the A&m game in 2015 and LSU should have gotten a real coach. When they didnt make the right decision, O saw his chance and went after it. Somehow snaking his way into Allevas ear.

NO ONE is saying Miles should still be here. It was time to move on. But the whole BS coaching search was a clown show and IMO they wanted to hire O from the get go. That's why I feel he caused a mutiny from the inside


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Scoob
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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I don't think he was Les' choice, he was never part of Les' tree and I think Miles was wary of him.

Of course the guy who knew deep inside that he was in over his head would be wary of someone not in his "tree". And he should have been wary - that buffoon, as you called O, ended up taking Les' job. Doesn't say much about the guy you're worshipping, eh?

Aside from Cam (we know the story there), how have the others in the Les Miles coaching tree fared?
I don't get where you think I'm worshiping Les with anything I've said. My point was this: LSU was at it's best when the HC ran his own program. Miles, or Saban. Not some rich donor who thinks it should be done "this way".

And BTW, all you guys thinking Les was in over his head- the man won a fricking NC, one of only three the program has. He won a shit-ton of games here, and 2005-2007 was undeniably the best stretch in the program in at least 50 years, and possibly ever.
I'd say the only thing Miles was in over his head with, was with the boosters. He needed to hit them hard and early with napalm, like Saban did. And even regarding that, Saban had far better backing than Miles did, in terms of a guy in his corner. Miles merely won big enough his first few years to keep them at bay.


Gray Tiger
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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Scoob


Yes, of course. You have uncovered the deep state booster cabal. All of those shadowy characters operating in the background pulling strings and secretly running the LSU football team.

You had better be careful. They know everything. You aren't safe now that they have been exposed.


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earl keese
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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A guy that won 3 SEC games in 3 years at Ole Miss would've led LSU to multiple NC's.




But...but...but...he was unjustly fired after 3 years. he would have started winning big his fourth year there.

hahahaha!


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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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Saban was the GOAT LSU coach IM


we finished unranked in 40% of his tenure.

clearly Saban is the best coach lsu ever had but miles is the most accomplished


Rickdaddy4188
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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None of those guys came here because they wanted to play for Less Miles. They came here because of LSU, i.e., the LSU brand and the flagship university of Louisiana. They also wanted to play in Tiger Stadium, the greatest college football stadium in the country.


then why do you give O credit for keeping this last class together?


it's amazing the amount of times you shite on one of your stances by trying to shite on miles.
if lsu recruits itself then stop giving O credit for keeping the class together


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If Less Miles was average he would already have a coaching job. However, he was mediocre, which is why he doesn't have a coaching job.


wanna take a guess where O was when Miles called him?
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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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Saban achieved as many titles in 5 years including a rebuild over what Miles did in over 11 years at LSU. 

Miles is not the greatest LSU coach by any stretch. 



miles has as many top 5 finishes as Saban, Mac, and Dietzel combined.
miles has as many top 10 finishes as the previous 40 years combined
miles has as many title game appearance as Saban has top 15 finishes.


and Saban never once faced a sec program that even played for a national title, let alone won one.

in Saban's 1st 3 years at lsu he faced 1 west team with less than 4 losses.

2000 west- no west team had less than 4 losses
2001 west- 1 sec team(it was lsu) had less than 4 losses
2002- 1 west team had less than 4 losses.



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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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then why did LSU consistently put more players in the NFL on average in the past few years than Alabama did,


because we haven't

since 2010 lsu has had less than 7 players drafted 5 times

in that same span bama has had less than 7 players drafted 1 time

in 2016 bama had more players drafted in the 1st two rounds than lsu had in the entire draft.
bama has more players drafted this year than our entire 2015 & 2016 draft classes combined
but hey why let facts get in the way of you posting ignorant stuff.
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Rickdaddy4188
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re: What will it take for Orgeron to overtake Les Miles as the GOAT LSU football coach?
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He won one 2-loss title that he was lucky to play in the first place

do you use this logic for saban's 01 title
if you gave Saban a national title for every 2 loss or less season at lsu he would still have just 1.

if you gave miles a sec title for every 3 loss or less season miles wouldve won 8 sec titles.
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