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What I can't figure out about our offense among many other things
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:59 pm
is this.
Sort of standard operating procedure for dealing with teams that are blowing your OL up is to run quick passes and screens. Just prior to the half against Arky, we did that.
Honestly, I was like, "holy frick, I sincerely didn't even think that shite was even in our playbook!!!"
It's just weird. I mean, you have literally never watched a football game in your life where a team was getting a huge rush where the analyst didn't comment about how the offense would have to take shorter drops and run plays to slow the DL down. When you watch LSU, it's as if we have never even heard of the concept.
The same goes for in games like Alabama. Their LBs were completely selling out to fill so even on the occasions that LF was able to split the DL, there was a LB right there waiting for him. Watch the tape. Those LBs were playing the run as if our QB had a broken right arm.
Now quick. What are you SUPPOSED to do when LBs are playing you like that? Does a deep one man route pass have any effect upon LB play? Nope. Again, we did NOTHING all game that even attempted to react to what Bama was doing.
That's the fundamental problem with Miles.
The man takes the "we do what we do" mantra to an absurd level. frick man. Even mediocre coaches try to take advantage of matchups manipulate matchups in their favor. Miles' entire approach to offense is literally, "my guys have to be better than your guys or we're just gonna suck".
It's baffling.
Sort of standard operating procedure for dealing with teams that are blowing your OL up is to run quick passes and screens. Just prior to the half against Arky, we did that.
Honestly, I was like, "holy frick, I sincerely didn't even think that shite was even in our playbook!!!"
It's just weird. I mean, you have literally never watched a football game in your life where a team was getting a huge rush where the analyst didn't comment about how the offense would have to take shorter drops and run plays to slow the DL down. When you watch LSU, it's as if we have never even heard of the concept.
The same goes for in games like Alabama. Their LBs were completely selling out to fill so even on the occasions that LF was able to split the DL, there was a LB right there waiting for him. Watch the tape. Those LBs were playing the run as if our QB had a broken right arm.
Now quick. What are you SUPPOSED to do when LBs are playing you like that? Does a deep one man route pass have any effect upon LB play? Nope. Again, we did NOTHING all game that even attempted to react to what Bama was doing.
That's the fundamental problem with Miles.
The man takes the "we do what we do" mantra to an absurd level. frick man. Even mediocre coaches try to take advantage of matchups manipulate matchups in their favor. Miles' entire approach to offense is literally, "my guys have to be better than your guys or we're just gonna suck".
It's baffling.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:59 am to TheRightMan
No it is Miles....always was , always will be.
He doesn't have the ability to adjust, not in his DNA.
He doesn't have the ability to adjust, not in his DNA.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:18 am to TheRightMan
The thing is, is Cameron too stupid to see that or is Miles truly stifling what Cameron is able to do? Whoever is responsible needs to go because adjustments are how teams can come back. Only season that it wasn't often necessary was 2011 because we were so dominant in the trenches with NFL talent. I'm thinking Miles is the main problem
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 7:23 am
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:23 am to TheRightMan
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Sort of standard operating procedure for dealing with teams that are blowing your OL up is to run quick passes and screens. Just prior to the half against Arky, we did that.
Honestly, I was like, "holy frick, I sincerely didn't even think that shite was even in our playbook!!!"
For once during that drive with those adjustments, Brandon Harris could play like a college quarterback and not have to go through a progression of reads.
Our standard offense is the worst of both worlds. It's so predictable a three year old can guess the next play correctly, but so complicated a quarterback takes multiple seasons to halfway learn it.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:34 am to timlan2057
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It's so predictable a three year old can guess the next play correctly, but so complicated a quarterback takes multiple seasons to halfway learn it.
Paralysis by analysis applies to our offense. Didn't Chip Kelly once claim he could install his offense in like a week's time?
*disclaimer for those idiots thinking I'm calling for HUNH I am not. Just making a point
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:45 am to TheRightMan
We've all been saying this for years and it's never going to change. It's not that Miles doesn't know other options are available. He firmly believes in lining up and EXECUTING the play even if the defense knows where it's going, which is most plays. If the play doesn't work then we didn't block well enough. While that might literally be true, wouldn't it benefit the blockers to catch the defenders off guard or leaning the other way once in a while? Of course it would. Miles' philosophy works only when our O line is dominating the other team physically (size and strength). If we cant dominate the other team, we're fricked but we're not going to try anything different. Doing so would be admitting that we can't overpower the opponent and had to resort to trickery to gain an advantage which is not tough, old-school football.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:35 pm to The Mick
Miles philosophy is funny because if it really were true that you merely had to "block the play well" and there was little else involved, then there would barely even be a need for a coach on game day.
Nope. Just line up and run em over.
You'd pay coaches like $100K in that world.
He gets paid to do a LOT better than just hope we outman teams.
Nope. Just line up and run em over.
You'd pay coaches like $100K in that world.
He gets paid to do a LOT better than just hope we outman teams.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:43 pm to TheRightMan
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What I can't figure out about our offense
Miles and Cameron are not very good coaches. Why can't you figure that out?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:46 pm to TheRightMan
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Miles philosophy is funny because if it really were true that you merely had to "block the play well" and there was little else involved, then there would barely even be a need for a coach on game day.
That's an excellent point right there. Post of the day.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:53 pm to Rex
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That's an excellent point right there. Post of the day.
I'm pretty sure that if Miles had been an Army general in the musket era, he'd have been like.........."frick those flanking movements.........we have the better Army..........all we need to do is shoot the best".
Meanwhile, the other Army shoots all his guys in the back.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 4:04 pm to TheRightMan
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The man takes the "we do what we do" mantra to an absurd level. frick man. Even mediocre coaches try to take advantage of matchups manipulate matchups in their favor. Miles' entire approach to offense is literally, "my guys have to be better than your guys or we're just gonna suck".
It humors me that some only see the short passes when they are successful and not when they failed. LSU came out slinging the ball against Ark.
on the 5 drives before the one you mention:
Harris had 3 completions on 11 attempted pass plays for positive yardage of 36 yards but was sacked on 4 of those plays for a loss of 43 yards and a turnover. 21 of the 36 positive yards came on one deep (not short or crossing pass) to Dupre. Many of these throws were short routes, screens, and even included an attempted pass to a FB. NET PASSING GAME TO THAT POINT: -7 yards and a turnover.
There was one rush by Harris that may have been designed for 2 yards that I am excluding because the play by play does not indicate if this was a busted pass attempt where Harris pulled and ran or not. 2 yard gain.
LSU/LF had 11 rushing attempts for 44 yards but had 10 negated by a 15 yard FM penalty on the Oline. NET RUSHING GAME TO THAT POINT: +34 yards
Yet you were surprised that the coach could find this for the last drive of the half. It was the obvious game plan all along, it just wasn't successful. Surprisingly, LF had to that point had the most success. I was surprised Harris could connect and glad when the receivers helped Harris out by catching some difficult balls on that last drive.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:16 pm to Bleeding purple
Rabble rabble miles is stubborn rabble rabble
Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:27 pm to Bleeding purple
Miles' problem is he overworks his linemen during the week and they show with tired legs at game time. Even Saban has recognized this and said he basically gave his men the first week off before LSU game because they were tired.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:29 pm to TheRightMan
It's extremely frustrating to watch.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:51 pm to TheRightMan
Cam is following his boss' instructions. He has 1.5 million reasons to follow instructions with a smile on his face.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:22 pm to TheRightMan
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I'm pretty sure that if Miles had been an Army general in the musket era, he'd have been like.........."frick those flanking movements.........we have the better Army..........all we need to do is shoot the best".
That worked pretty for Grant, Sherman, etc.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:41 pm to The Mick
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Miles' philosophy works only when our O line is dominating the other team physically (size and strength).
He's still living in the 70's, and we're either Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, or Oklahoma.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:37 pm to Bleeding purple
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It humors me that some only see the short passes when they are successful and not when they failed. LSU came out slinging the ball against Ark.
on the 5 drives before the one you mention:
Harris had 3 completions on 11 attempted pass plays for positive yardage of 36 yards but was sacked on 4 of those plays for a loss of 43 yards and a turnover. 21 of the 36 positive yards came on one deep (not short or crossing pass) to Dupre. Many of these throws were short routes, screens, and even included an attempted pass to a FB. NET PASSING GAME TO THAT POINT: -7 yards and a turnover.
There was one rush by Harris that may have been designed for 2 yards that I am excluding because the play by play does not indicate if this was a busted pass attempt where Harris pulled and ran or not. 2 yard gain.
LSU/LF had 11 rushing attempts for 44 yards but had 10 negated by a 15 yard FM penalty on the Oline. NET RUSHING GAME TO THAT POINT: +34 yards
It's hilarious that everyone ignored this post ITT, but it's true. The rant has been begging for the short/intermediate passing game all season. We tried it, and we couldn't execute it.
The OL can't pass block, and the QB was hitting Arkansas defenders in the helmet and back on screens and getting sacked on rollouts.
This was NOT the Les Miles offense that tRant loves to complain about.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:45 pm to Pauldean
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We tried it, and we couldn't execute it.
Because we have very little experience at it, and I doubt we practice it much.
Cam Cameron really should be kissing Zach Mettenberger's arse right now because the only reason anybody thinks at this point that he's a serviceable OC is because Mett bailed him out.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 8:58 pm to Pauldean
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It's hilarious that everyone ignored this post ITT, but it's true. The rant has been begging for the short/intermediate passing game all season. We tried it, and we couldn't execute it.
The OL can't pass block, and the QB was hitting Arkansas defenders in the helmet and back on screens and getting sacked on rollouts
So what came first the chicken or the egg?
You think if those plays were routinely practiced we might have a modicum of success with them?
YES...the answer is F-ing YES
The point is those plays are not standard operating procedure for Miles and so when we do run them they end up working like shite.
John McKay was once asked what he thought of his teams "execution", He replied he was all for it.
That is about all I have to say about the nonsense we have been seeing with this program under the tutelage of Leslie Miles
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