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Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:39 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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239 total offensive
Doesn't look like the O got better in November after all.....
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:41 pm to dukke v
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239 total offensive
Doesn't look like the O got better in November after all.....
With the defenses that Bama and LSU put on the field that night, both coaches played it very close to the vest. Saban was arguably more conservative than Miles that night. But let's not let context get in the way...
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:45 pm to ForeLSU
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both coaches played it very close to the vest
I agree with this... However Rickyboy keeps going OVER AND OVE AND OVER about how much better the offense got once JJ started But yet won't admit that stats were padded by playing the WKU and Ole miss powerhouse teams......
Posted on 7/29/15 at 8:53 pm to fightingtigers98
Lsu would have had two more wins at least with JJ under center last year.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:22 pm to fightingtigers98
That defense in 2010 and 2011 was on frickin point.
Back to the subject, JJ should have been our kicker.
Back to the subject, JJ should have been our kicker.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:31 pm to Ric Flair
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by Ric Flair
Lsu would have had two more wins at least with JJ under center last year.
Saying he was better than 2014 Anthony Jennings isn't saying much; however, 2014 Jennings was possibly better than 2010 Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:52 pm to fightingtigers98
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What happened to Jordan Jefferson over the course of his career
That is easy fricking stunk up the biggest game of his career and in turn lost LSU it's third BCS title!!! That is what happened!!!
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:02 am to Dudebro2
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That is easy fricking stunk up the biggest game of his career and in turn lost LSU it's third BCS title!!! That is what happened!!!
Dude...you really need to quit mincing words and say what you really think!
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:56 am to fightingtigers98
I wonder what he is doing now since he is out of football. Also it lets me wonder why LSU kept starting him every year.... He didnt really bring anything to the table. LSU can get any QB that he wants, and they kept giving him chance after chance.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:16 am to Superboy3209
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LSU can get any QB that he wants, and they kept giving him chance after chance.
Some of you actually believe this. LSU struggled BADLY to recruit QBs for a 3-4 year period. We had Chris frickin Garret as a signee at one point. We were relegated to accepting commitments from the stephen Rivers and Jeremy Liggins of the world. Kragthorpe picked up the slack, and Cameron has taken us to the level we need to be at.
The next 6 years will be the best run of QB play in LSU history (2001-2007 level good)
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 8:22 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:24 am to tlsu15
Kragthorpe was in and Crowton was out when Rivers and Liggins signed their LOIs, and Anthony Jennings, who was signed under Kragthorpe, is a very unpopular name around here.
I do agree about Cameron, though. Brandon Harris was the #3 DTQB and #75 overall player in 2014, and Feleipe Franks is the #1 PSQB and #47 overall player in 2016... then you have Dinkelmann, who is among the best in his class, which has yet to be rated.
And not to disagree again, but unless one of those guys decides to transfer and/or sign elsewhere, we're looking at an unprecedented run of success at the position. 2001-2007 still had 2002 and 2004 sprinkled in, and 2007 was nothing special, although effective.
I'm thinking 2005-06 on a yearly basis.
I do agree about Cameron, though. Brandon Harris was the #3 DTQB and #75 overall player in 2014, and Feleipe Franks is the #1 PSQB and #47 overall player in 2016... then you have Dinkelmann, who is among the best in his class, which has yet to be rated.
And not to disagree again, but unless one of those guys decides to transfer and/or sign elsewhere, we're looking at an unprecedented run of success at the position. 2001-2007 still had 2002 and 2004 sprinkled in, and 2007 was nothing special, although effective.
I'm thinking 2005-06 on a yearly basis.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:33 am to chilge1
To be fair to Krags, Liggins was a last minute hail mary when Gunner backed out like a chicken shite. I don't think they ever intended on having Liggins on campus, it was just a move to save face at that point.
Still Rivers and Garrett should have never been considered LSU caliber.
Still Rivers and Garrett should have never been considered LSU caliber.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 8:51 am to tlsu15
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Still Rivers and Garrett should have never been considered LSU caliber.
I don't mind taking a project like Rivers, particularly given Philip's success. IMO Garrett had some potential but was just a lazy frick.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:03 am to tlsu15
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Some of you actually believe this. LSU struggled BADLY to recruit QBs for a 3-4 year period. We had Chris frickin Garret as a signee at one point. We were relegated to accepting commitments from the stephen Rivers and Jeremy Liggins of the world. Kragthorpe picked up the slack, and Cameron has taken us to the level we need to be at.
a lot of it was out of our control. No one could have predicted Perrilloux was going to end up being a jackass. He was one of, if not the, most coveted QB recruit in the country in 2005. Then we had Zach Lee burn us for a baseball career (#9 QB in his class). It's really tough having to worry about a kid signing a contract in another sport. Gunner Keil just didn't show up to school. While yes, we've had some puzzling offers, most of them were just to fill depth so we had SOMEONE on the roster. Jerrard Randall was the #10 QB in his class (ahead of Marcus Mariota) but just didn't pan out. shite, even Anthony Jennings was a good recruit out of high school, ranked 6th in his class, with Rettig as the #3 guy in his class. We've had a ton of bad luck at that position, for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:18 am to dukke v
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But yet won't admit that stats were padded by playing the WKU and Ole miss
And that was different how from playing Northwestern St. and Kent.?
We can piss and moan bout our 2 Sr. QBs in 2011 till the cows come home and it seems we will, but we played the very best D's in the nation that yr. in Nov, Dec, and Jan. Talking bout padding stats when one guy faced those D's in each game seems more than a little silly, but each to our own.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:27 am to dukke v
quote:You are missing the point entirely, and at this point, I think it's intentional.
I agree with this... However Rickyboy keeps going OVER AND OVE AND OVER about how much better the offense got once JJ started But yet won't admit that stats were padded by playing the WKU and Ole miss powerhouse teams......
WKU, Ole Miss, and Arkansas were NOT the worst defenses LSU played in 2011. Lee started against the worst defense and 4 of the 5 worst defenses LSU faced in 2011.
Yet, despite starting against 4 of the 5 worst defenses, Lee did not lead LSU to its most total yards in a 2011 game. Lee did not lead LSU to its second most total yards in a 2011 game. Lee did not lead LSU to its third most total yards in a 2011 game.
Jefferson only started three regular season games in 2011, and EVERY regular season game that Jefferson started was better than EVERY regular season game that Lee started. Jefferson led LSU to its first, second, and third most total yard games in 2011.
In all three regular season games that Jefferson started in 2011, LSU gained over 450 yards total offense. In Lee's nine regular season starts, LSU gained over 450 yards just once. And again, Lee started against 4 of the 5 worst defenses that LSU faced in 2011.
So, it's not a matter of Jefferson padding stats against WKU and Ole Miss, bad but not the worst teams that LSU played in 2011. It's NOT about an average of Jefferson's starts versus an average of Lee's starts.
It's that in EVERY game that Jefferson started in the regular season, LSU gained more total yards on offense than in EVERY game that Lee started. EVERY GAME. And again, Lee started against worse teams than Jefferson.
It's that from Jefferson's very first pass attempt in the 2011 season, before Jefferson played WKU or Ole Miss, Jefferson had a HIGHER efficiency rating than Lee, and Jefferson kept it throughout the rest of the regular season.
Jefferson was a better passing QB than Lee. Jefferson had a higher completion percentage than Lee for their careers and for the 2011 regular season. Jefferson had a higher efficiency rating than Lee for their careers and for the 2011 regular season.
Jefferson was an infinitely better running QB than Lee. Lee had negative rushing yards for 2011 and for his career. Jefferson gained over 3.5 YPC (including sacks) in 2011, and he holds the career record for the most rushing yards by an LSU QB.
More importantly, LSU's offense ran the ball better when Jefferson was QB. Jefferson could run the option and zone read effectively, and it was Jefferson's talent running these plays that was an integral part in winning the GOTC and the SECCG.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:35 am to Salviati
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Jefferson only started three regular season games in 2011, and EVERY regular season game that Jefferson started was better than EVERY regular season game that Lee started. Jefferson led LSU to its first, second, and third most total yard games in 2011.
Jefferson also led LSU to it's two worst games offensively. I could give a baker's frick they happened in the postseason or regular season. You ignoring them doesn't make them go away. I don't care how good the teams were. his performances in those games were unacceptable for a starting QB. and please spare me on how lee did against alabama in november or what he did against them 3 years prior. he didn't play against uga or alabama, so predicting how he would have performed is based on assumptions. what i do know verifiably is that jordan jefferson was fricking terrible in both of those games. you can try to spin it all you want, but he was awful
Posted on 7/30/15 at 11:49 am to Dudebro2
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This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:16 pm to lsufball19
quote:Jefferson completed almost 65% of his passes in the BCSCG. Jefferson executed the option and zone read to near perfection in the second half of the SECCG, a game in which LSU scored FOUR offensive touchdowns.
what i do know verifiably is that jordan jefferson was fricking terrible in both of those games. you can try to spin it all you want, but he was awful
quote:No they weren't. The SECCG was not even among the two worst in 2011. In fact, against Oregon and in the GOTC, LSU gained fewer yards per play than LSU gained in the SECCG.
Jefferson also led LSU to it's two worst games offensively.
In fact, in EVERY game that Lee started, LSU gained fewer rushing yards per play than LSU gained in the SECCG.
In the SECCG, LSU gained over 200 yards rushing. In Lee's nine starts, LSU gained over 200 yards rushing in only TWO games. So, LSU gained more yards rushing in the SECCG than in 7 of Lee's starts.
LSU scored FOUR offensive TDs in the SECCG. LSU blew out Georgia. Tyrann Mathieu was a HUGE part of it, but the offense scored FOUR TDs, and a lot of it was thanks to Jefferson being the QB on the field.
quote:Well, Lee did play against Alabama, but apparently, you don't want to hear about it.
please spare me on how lee did against alabama in november or what he did against them 3 years prior. he didn't play against uga or alabama
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