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re: Very little improvement through the easy stretch
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:47 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:47 am to Topwater Trout
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The whole country thinks we have no qb
good...we will hit some long pass plays against Fla
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:51 am to SCwTiger
They tried to throw it more in the first half. There were drops and under-throws. But that can only explain the struggles for this particular game. As we are all too well aware, LSU's struggles in the passing game have LONG predated the Sat. night. The problem lies with the fact that LSU's approach and design of the passing game is absolutely terrible. Les (and it is Les, because he is the only constant since 2008. A time which has seen 3 OCs and 5 different starting QBs with virtually the same issues) approaches the passing game like a triple-option team. It's looked at as either an opportunity to hit a surprise big play or something LSU has to do when backed into 3rd and long and/or trailing late in games.
The large majority of LSU's pass plays see the receivers running deep vertical routes. The LSU QB has to be damn near perfect on tough throws because of it. 3rd and 4 - throw it deep. 3rd 12 - throw it deep down field. Watch any other "pro-style" team: USC, UCLA, UGA, Bama, Florida, Michigan, etc. and you'll see times in the game where the design of the play gets a WR wide open. Crossing routes, clear outs, etc. Watch a LSU game and there are rarely times where you see a WR get open without a defender near him. The long developing routes also puts a ton of pressure on the OL to hold their blocks while the plays develop.
LSU is a running team first and foremost, as they should be with LF and Co. But that doesn't mean they can't still have a functioning passing game. You would think that somewhere in the football building that a $4 million HC and $1 million OC would realize "hey, what we are trying to do in the passing game is not yielding great results. Maybe we should change our approach just a bit."
The large majority of LSU's pass plays see the receivers running deep vertical routes. The LSU QB has to be damn near perfect on tough throws because of it. 3rd and 4 - throw it deep. 3rd 12 - throw it deep down field. Watch any other "pro-style" team: USC, UCLA, UGA, Bama, Florida, Michigan, etc. and you'll see times in the game where the design of the play gets a WR wide open. Crossing routes, clear outs, etc. Watch a LSU game and there are rarely times where you see a WR get open without a defender near him. The long developing routes also puts a ton of pressure on the OL to hold their blocks while the plays develop.
LSU is a running team first and foremost, as they should be with LF and Co. But that doesn't mean they can't still have a functioning passing game. You would think that somewhere in the football building that a $4 million HC and $1 million OC would realize "hey, what we are trying to do in the passing game is not yielding great results. Maybe we should change our approach just a bit."
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:56 am to lsucoonass
quote: "teams don't improve when they play cupcakes". That's been the problem. The last two weeks you've seen uninspired performances against lightly regarded opponents. I fear the same may happen vs. S. Carolina. LSU put together a great game both on offense and defense against Auburn, who at the time was perceived as a worthy opponent.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:57 am to tarzana
They'll do the same against South Carolina I'm sure.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:03 am to Kracka
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dd to that the struggles that recievers are having with the droppies.
I rewatched the game, our wrs are not very good. not a single one attacks the ball, its pretty pathetic. Jeter looks like the only one worth a damn.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:06 am to Alt26
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hey, what we are trying to do in the passing game is not yielding great results. Maybe we should change our approach just a bit."
I get what you are saying, but they were on pace to have over 30 pass plays called. The game was close, they went with the strength of the offense and they blew them out. So should the coaches keep doing something that wasn't working?
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:06 am to Alt26
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They tried to throw it more in the first half. There were drops and under-throws. But that can only explain the struggles for this particular game. As we are all too well aware, LSU's struggles in the passing game have LONG predated the Sat. night. The problem lies with the fact that LSU's approach and design of the passing game is absolutely terrible. Les (and it is Les, because he is the only constant since 2008. A time which has seen 3 OCs and 5 different starting QBs with virtually the same issues) approaches the passing game like a triple-option team. It's looked at as either an opportunity to hit a surprise big play or something LSU has to do when backed into 3rd and long and/or trailing late in games. The large majority of LSU's pass plays see the receivers running deep vertical routes. The LSU QB has to be damn near perfect on tough throws because of it. 3rd and 4 - throw it deep. 3rd 12 - throw it deep down field. Watch any other "pro-style" team: USC, UCLA, UGA, Bama, Florida, Michigan, etc. and you'll see times in the game where the design of the play gets a WR wide open. Crossing routes, clear outs, etc. Watch a LSU game and there are rarely times where you see a WR get open without a defender near him. The long developing routes also puts a ton of pressure on the OL to hold their blocks while the plays develop. LSU is a running team first and foremost, as they should be with LF and Co. But that doesn't mean they can't still have a functioning passing game. You would think that somewhere in the football building that a $4 million HC and $1 million OC would realize "hey, what we are trying to do in the passing game is not yielding great results. Maybe we should change our approach just a bit."
This +11111111!
Couldn't have said it better!
LSU's passing philosophy basically comes down to this: bomb or nothing. Recruit talented receivers and tell them: hey, since we are too lazy or stupid to design a passing route to get you open, you just have to use your athleticism to get open. If you can't do that, we will put the blame on your route running ability.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:12 am to VesperiaLSU
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SU's passing philosophy basically comes down to this: bomb or nothing. Recruit talented receivers and tell them: hey, since we are too lazy or stupid to design a passing route to get you open, you just have to use your athleticism to get open. If you can't do that, we will put the blame on your route running ability.
dural gets open, not a defender within a few yards, on a route you guys want us to use. He dropped the damn ball. he was in space, and if you watch closely, he turns his head towards the end zone before he secures the catch. I'm sorry but that is on him, that was a play designed to get him in space.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:14 am to dgnx6
That doesn't fit the narrative.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:23 am to dgnx6
quote:let him pick splinters a while and see if some other receivers can catch.
that is on him
Seems to be Les' MO when things aren't working. Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:24 am to SCwTiger
We might get some ideas by watching EM game tape, better pass game than Aubie for sure, 
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:26 am to dgnx6
So because he dropped the ball we can't run that route again? My beef is we run something that works, i.e. pass to Jeter, and never see it again.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:04 am to SCwTiger
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I know Les plays down to competition, but he needs to light a fire under this team to curbstomp some people like they should.
That will never happen. Les will do the same shite every year and not get fired. Enjoy mediocrity
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:55 am to SCwTiger
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Of course the running game is on fire, but it was never really in doubt.
Don't glide over this so quickly. Here are LSU's rushing YPG averages over the years:
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2008 - 167
2009 - 123
2010 - 188
2011 - 203
2012 - 174
2013 - 202
2014 - 225
2015 - 336
Yes, the 2015 number will come down. But, as of right now, we are average over 100 yards per game more rushing yards than our previous best. And about 150 yards per game better than our six-year average. That's not something you can take for granted. Everyone is in such a rush to shite on our passing game (and they have reason to), but if you're going to do that you have to marvel at how much our running game has improved.
Think of it this way: before this year our best passing season was 2013, with 251 ypg. If Harris was throwing for 100 ypg better than that -- 351 ypg -- people would be preordering "2015 National Champions" hats. But since that increase came in the running game, not the passing game, suddenly it's "never really in doubt" that we'd have a historically great season.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:04 pm to dgnx6
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ural gets open, not a defender within a few yards, on a route you guys want us to use. He dropped the damn ball. he was in space, and if you watch closely, he turns his head towards the end zone before he secures the catch. I'm sorry but that is on him, that was a play designed to get him in space.
That was just one of the 11 incompletions, and you are gonna blame the other 10 incompletion all on drops? Sure that particular play wasn't a "bomb" and that's because we are already within the red zone. The point is, when we throw the ball, we rarely tried to call a short-intermediate routes and get the WR in open space by DESIGN, which is easier to complete than a 20-30 plus yards post route which totally relies on the WR creating separation by himself.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 12:48 pm to dgnx6
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I get what you are saying, but they were on pace to have over 30 pass plays called. The game was close, they went with the strength of the offense and they blew them out. So should the coaches keep doing something that wasn't working?
No. With the game that close and the passing game clearly struggling, LSU should have gone to their strength. I had no problem with that. Yes, there were drops. No one will deny that, but the frustration comes from the fact that the passing game again struggled and again took the same ineffective approach.
Again, no one is saying that LSU should throw it 30+ times a game at the expense of Fournette, but when you do, make it more efficient and TRUST YOUR F'ING QB! Harris has done nothing to warrant extreme worry that he will freak out and make horrible throws like Lee did at time.
Diarse is a guy that is good in space. They rarely design any plays to get him in space. I imagine Dural and Dupree can each do more than just run deep down the seems. Same for the TE. With the LB's so hell bent on stopping the run, you're telling me LSU couldn't find some space for the TE behind them in the 6-10 yard range?
Fournette can catch. Same with Guice. Slip them out of the backfield occasionally. There are ways to design a passing game that can free guys up.
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