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re: Update: Collins to speak with BR police after draft
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:30 am to WDE24
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:30 am to WDE24
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but I would advise people it is a bad idea.
absolutely, some veteran TDers might have seen this one before:
Law Prof explains why you don't talk to the cops
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:48 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
I'm sure he might be a great guy and it's unfortunate that this has happened right before the draft for him, but the police are doing their job. A woman has been killed and they have to question any and everybody. And of course it will get spread all over and blown out of proportion. That's the world we live in today unfortunately. People blaming the police or the media are just flat out stupid. This would go the same way in any other state.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 7:58 am to AnonymousTiger
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Never talk to the police, ever, no matter the circumstance. Nothing at all to gain from it.
That's fine! Everyone should stfu at this point about this. We understand, but lawyers have vehicles too. And if I was asked to come in because someone was dead and I might have a baby to raise that is fighting for my life, I would get an attorney and be there within one day. Especially if the largest single financial situation for my family relied on my name being cleared!
WTF is wrong with y'all?
At any moment during that "interview" his attorney can see "we're outta here, we've answered your questions"
The opportunity is gone now where someone was going to slide paperwork across the table and offered 20 MILLION!
His attorney, no matter how prominent, frickED UP. HE is the one who basically admitted Collins and him were "trying to prove" his alibi (or something along those lines). Hes the one who made it public, not the BRPD!
The attorney and the agent fricked this up trying to be pr and it backfired.
And all of you, especially the attorneys and law guys, know if there was ZERO involvement in this situation on Collins' part, he should have lawyered up and been there the following morning helping the brpd in any way possible, which would have cleared his name with the NFL and all would be good.
Back to original point, his own lawyer admitted they were asked for information vwhich basically proves he is suspected of some involvement in the case.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:41 am to atltiger6487
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So if your wife is murdered (and you had nothing to do with it) and the police want to talk to you, you aren't talking to them without a lawyer? Really?
Really. Get a lawyer.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 8:47 am to glaucon
There are some people sitting in jails who are completely innocent of murder. You see some get released after being exonerated after years behind bars, spent after someone on the prosecution side including police did some shady stuff to get a conviction. That's why you get a lawyer, no matter what.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:38 am to crazy4lsu
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No it's common sense. Never speak to the police without a lawyer present.
Never???
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
I'm devastated that my wife was murdered and my only goal, since I'm innocent, is to HELP THE POLICE FIND THE KILLER. So I'll want to help the cops any way I can, and will do so.
To think, in this hypothetical, that I'll tell the cops, no, I'm not talking to you until my lawyer gets here, is just absolute nonsense.
Now this all assumes I'm completely innocent.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:41 am to atltiger6487
quote:They think you did it. You better fricking have a lawyer.
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:42 am to atltiger6487
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Never???
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
I'm devastated that my wife was murdered and my only goal, since I'm innocent, is to HELP THE POLICE FIND THE KILLER. So I'll want to help the cops any way I can, and will do so.
To think, in this hypothetical, that I'll tell the cops, no, I'm not talking to you until my lawyer gets here, is just absolute nonsense.
Now this all assumes I'm completely innocent.
You can do what you want but in that case, unless it's blatantly obvious that you weren't home or not involved, you should lawyer up. Last thing you want is to incriminate yourself because you're an emotional wreck and probably not in the right mind.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:44 am to atltiger6487
quote:It is not nonsense. It's smart. The cops don't know you're innocent. They aren't going to do you any favors when your wife turns up dead. You say anything wrong and then you're suspect number 1. People have been convicted when they've been completely innocent.
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
I'm devastated that my wife was murdered and my only goal, since I'm innocent, is to HELP THE POLICE FIND THE KILLER. So I'll want to help the cops any way I can, and will do so.
To think, in this hypothetical, that I'll tell the cops, no, I'm not talking to you until my lawyer gets here, is just absolute nonsense.
Now this all assumes I'm completely innocent.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:48 am to OneMoreTime
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It is not nonsense. It's smart. The cops don't know you're innocent. They aren't going to do you any favors when your wife turns up dead. You say anything wrong and then you're suspect number 1. People have been convicted when they've been completely innocent.
I'm not sure why we are even discussing this because he possibility of him speaking with the police without a lawyer is and has been zero. His baby's mother was shot a week ago, I guarantee you he got lawyer before the body was cold. He and his lawyer have ruined his chances in the 2015 draft and to me they probably did so because they have more pressing issues than his career right now.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:50 am to sabanisarustedspoke
quote:By doing what?
He and his lawyer have ruined his chances in the 2015 draft
It's hilarious that people actually think the police would make some huge announcement the moment they spoke with La'el saying he's innocent. They aren't going to comment about an open investigation. He still wouldn't have been drafted had he spoken to them Monday or next week. Wouldn't have mattered.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 9:51 am to TangipahoaTiger
Don't blame Jacob Hester. You'll get your posts deleted,
haha is it?
haha is it?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:03 am to ell_13
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quote:
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
They think you did it. You better fricking have a lawyer.
Let's go further. Say that my wife had a co-worker who was mentally unstable and had made threatening statements to her. Then she ends up dead.
Can I talk to the cops about that without having my lawyer present??? Of course I will, because I know who probably did it and I want the killer found and arrested and I had nothing to do with it.
But the experts on the Rant say no, never.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:03 am to sabanisarustedspoke
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His baby's mother was shot a week ago
So you know it's his kid, Nostradamus?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:05 am to atltiger6487
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Never???
Hypothetical: my beloved wife is murdered. I had nothing to do with it. The cops want to talk to me (of course, they do, I'm the husband).
I'm devastated that my wife was murdered and my only goal, since I'm innocent, is to HELP THE POLICE FIND THE KILLER. So I'll want to help the cops any way I can, and will do so.
To think, in this hypothetical, that I'll tell the cops, no, I'm not talking to you until my lawyer gets here, is just absolute nonsense.
Now this all assumes I'm completely innocent.
Your hypothetical is a perfect example of a situation in which you should not talk to the police without a lawyer present. You are the husband and an obvious potential suspect to the police. The police are not your friend and they do not have your best interests in mind.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:08 am to atltiger6487
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Let's go further. Say that my wife had a co-worker who was mentally unstable and had made threatening statements to her. Then she ends up dead.
Can I talk to the cops about that without having my lawyer present??? Of course I will, because I know who probably did it and I want the killer found and arrested and I had nothing to do with it.
But the experts on the Rant say no, never.
You can but you better have a good alibi on where you where at the time of her death.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:08 am to atltiger6487
Doesn't matter.
You can talk to the police. Of course you can. But do it with a lawyer to protect yourself and your rights.
Police aren't looking for the truth. They are looking for what they can prove. I posted that here before.
And anything you say can and will be used AGAINST YOU. Not for you or against someone else. That may eventually be what happens but is less likely without a lawyer present.
What you are saying is counterintuitive. If you want the right guy to be found and convicted, you don't want the police coming after you. They are less likely to do so if you have help in keeping them off your back.
You can talk to the police. Of course you can. But do it with a lawyer to protect yourself and your rights.
Police aren't looking for the truth. They are looking for what they can prove. I posted that here before.
And anything you say can and will be used AGAINST YOU. Not for you or against someone else. That may eventually be what happens but is less likely without a lawyer present.
What you are saying is counterintuitive. If you want the right guy to be found and convicted, you don't want the police coming after you. They are less likely to do so if you have help in keeping them off your back.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:09 am to atltiger6487
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Let's go further. Say that my wife had a co-worker who was mentally unstable and had made threatening statements to her. Then she ends up dead.
Can I talk to the cops about that without having my lawyer present??? Of course I will, because I know who probably did it and I want the killer found and arrested and I had nothing to do with it.
But the experts on the Rant say no, never.
No one is saying you can't talk to the cops without your lawyer present. It just is not in your best interests. I mean you do what you want in the case of the mentally unstable psychopath that framed you for the murder of your wife but I am getting a lawyer.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:14 am to glaucon
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No one is saying you can't talk to the cops without your lawyer present. It just is not in your best interests. I mean you do what you want in the case of the mentally unstable psychopath that framed you for the murder of your wife but I am getting a lawyer.
I didn't mean "can't". I know I can talk. I was asking "should I" in that circumstance to the Ranters who say "never."
You people are just nuts if you think ANY husband who knows the probable killer of his wife wouldn't tell the cops IMMEDIATELY, without calling his lawyer.
I think you've all been watching too many cop shows on TV. If everyone in America didn't talk to cops without attorneys present, the entire system would break down.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 5/1/15 at 10:17 am to GeeOH
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At any moment during that "interview" his attorney can see "we're outta here, we've answered your questions"
yea, I'm sure that would have helped his draft stock....
this is all about game theory, there was no "right" decision for him and his attorney to make, they just had to try to play the hand they were dealt as best they could.
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