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Three NCAA tournament bubble teams that could win it all - LSU, WI & CAL
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:48 am
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Projected NBA No. 1 pick Ben Simmons (19.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 5.2 apg) is arguably the best player in the country, and if the versatile 6-10 point forward can find the killer instinct he's been lacking — mainly at the end of games — LSU will be difficult to beat in March.
The Tigers have come a long way and in spite of some early season losses that have them on the bubble — they were the nation's most disappointing team during non-conference play — they are currently tied atop the SEC standings with Kentucky. That's how wild this season has been: A league leader in a power conference is on the bubble in mid-February.
Of all of LSU's credentials, its narrow loss to Oklahoma could be the most telling. The game was at home, but the Tigers looked like the better team until the final minutes. If the Sooners are a title contender, LSU isn't that far off.
LSU Tigers
Projected NBA No. 1 pick Ben Simmons (19.3 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 5.2 apg) is arguably the best player in the country, and if the versatile 6-10 point forward can find the killer instinct he's been lacking — mainly at the end of games — LSU will be difficult to beat in March.
The Tigers have come a long way and in spite of some early season losses that have them on the bubble — they were the nation's most disappointing team during non-conference play — they are currently tied atop the SEC standings with Kentucky. That's how wild this season has been: A league leader in a power conference is on the bubble in mid-February.
Of all of LSU's credentials, its narrow loss to Oklahoma could be the most telling. The game was at home, but the Tigers looked like the better team until the final minutes. If the Sooners are a title contender, LSU isn't that far off.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:49 am to TigerClassic
Welcome to Germany. Hial
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:55 am to TigerClassic
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If the Sooners are a title contender, LSU isn't that far off.
I like that line.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:55 am to TigerClassic
LSU will meet Oklahoma in the Elite Eight.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 11:58 am to TigerClassic
With a favorable bracket I think that we could realistically make a run. But teams that are going to be most dangerous for us are teams that run a predominant zone and teams with 2+ big men. There are a lot of those that I could see us struggling a great deal with. A (7) v (10) matchup with Syracuse, which Lunardi recently projected, would be a terrible first round matchup for us, IMO.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:08 pm to TigerClassic
There is not chance in hell LSU wins the NCAA tournament. LSU does not play transition defense well enough, and gives up too many easy baskets. All it will take is one game of poor shooting, and LSU is bounced from the tournament.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:09 pm to Choupique19
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I like that line.
How about this one?
If the Sooners are a title contender, so are Hawaii, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and West Virginia
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:11 pm to Poodlebrain
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There is not chance in hell LSU wins the NCAA tournament
If you make it you have a chance. Guard play is the deciding factor. If TQ, AB, JG play well we can win it all.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:13 pm to Poodlebrain
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All it will take is one game of poor shooting, and LSU is bounced from the tournament.
Just like every other team in the tournament .. no?
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:18 pm to TigerClassic
Nice to think about, but this team usually goes as quartermann goes. And for him to be on for 6 games.....would be a miracle. He will most likely get us to the sweet 16 and single handedly get us eliminated there.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 12:22 pm to TigerClassic
The key is staying out of foul trouble and quarterman showing up every game. If those happen we can be dangerous.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:00 pm to TigerClassic
For LSU to even have a prayer at making a run to the Final Four they would have to get much, MUCH better on defense. This is a very bad defensive team (115th in defensive efficiency). A look at the KenPom ratings over the years will show you that rarely do teams with defensive efficiency ratings outside of the 30's make the Final Four. The ones that do usually are in the top 5-10 in offensive efficiency (see Wisconsin). Just for reference, LSU was #2 in defensive efficiency in 2006 when they made the Final Four.
I don't worry about LSU scoring points. It may not always be pretty, but they find ways to get the ball in the basket. The worry is closing out games on the defensive end. You saw the yin and yang of that last week. Two close games with about 9 minutes to go. Against USC they couldn't get a stop down the stretch to save their lives. USC scored on something like 12 of their final 15 possessions in the game. Against A&M they were able to hold A&M to just 6 points (outside of the 5 A&M scored with ~20 seconds left when LSU had a 10 point lead) in the last 6:30
If LSU commits on defense, they are a very tough out for any team in the country. If they don't, then they are prone to collapses at the end of games.
I don't worry about LSU scoring points. It may not always be pretty, but they find ways to get the ball in the basket. The worry is closing out games on the defensive end. You saw the yin and yang of that last week. Two close games with about 9 minutes to go. Against USC they couldn't get a stop down the stretch to save their lives. USC scored on something like 12 of their final 15 possessions in the game. Against A&M they were able to hold A&M to just 6 points (outside of the 5 A&M scored with ~20 seconds left when LSU had a 10 point lead) in the last 6:30
If LSU commits on defense, they are a very tough out for any team in the country. If they don't, then they are prone to collapses at the end of games.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:08 pm to Poodlebrain
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All it will take is one game of poor shooting, and LSU is bounced from the tournament.
Do you watch LSU? We don't rely on outside shooting in the least. In fact, we rely on it WAY less than a team like Oklahoma. Shocking, if you go 5/20 from 3 you won't win.
FYI:
vs aTm we were 5/18 from 3 (still won)
vs UK we were 6/14 (won by 18)
@ Bama we were 4/10 (won)
Point is, we play better when we get to the paint than hoisting up 3's
Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:22 pm to TigerClassic
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If the Sooners are a title contender, LSU isn't that far off.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:22 pm to Alt26
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For LSU to even have a prayer at making a run to the Final Four they would have to get much, MUCH better on defense. This is a very bad defensive team (115th in defensive efficiency)
This is all relative. I mean, that takes into account 8 games in which Darcy, Elbert, Epps, Bridge, and Sampson were getting SIGNIFICANT minutes. We also played Oklahoma, Houston, and North Florida who are all in the top 21 in the country in offensive efficiency. 2 of which we played without key contributors.
Recently we have played much much better defensive. USCe was not good on offense, but they called so many fouls it allowed them to go into the lane easily because we could not touch them.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 2/16/16 at 2:44 pm to LSUButt
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This is all relative. I mean, that takes into account 8 games in which Darcy, Elbert, Epps, Bridge, and Sampson were getting SIGNIFICANT minutes.
If you separate those 8 games you see that LSU's opponents shot worse on avg. in those first 8 games (~44%) than they have in the the games since (~47%)
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We also played Oklahoma, Houston, and North Florida who are all in the top 21 in the country in offensive efficiency. 2 of which we played without key contributors.
True, but LSU's overall opponent offensive SOS is 85th (10th in the SEC). They are 221st in opponent's FG%; 207th in opponents 3pt %. 271st in opponent's PPG (though you have to take into account the fact that LSU plays a faster game that most) Those poor ranking encompass a lot more than just the first 8 games or just 3 games against good shooting teams.
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Recently we have played much much better defensive
Maybe the same, but I wouldn't say "better". In the last 6 games both UGA and A&M shot over 50% at LSU. South Carolina had it's 3rd best shooting night of SEC play against LSU (even without the FTs). LSU played good defense against Auburn (last in FG%) and MSU. They also played good defense against OU until the last 9 minutes when they could not get a stop to save their lives. That was the difference in the game.
Is LSU capable of having a good defensive game here and there? Absolutely. However, the numbers don't lie after 25 games (17 with Hornsby/Victor in the line up). This just isn't a good, or really even an average defensive team.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:06 pm to josh336
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Nice to think about, but this team usually goes as quartermann goes. And for him to be on for 6 games.....would be a miracle. He will most likely get us to the sweet 16 and single handedly get us eliminated there.
Exactly what I was thinking. Also, can Victor stay out of foul trouble for 6 straight games.
I mean don't get me wrong. If we can manage to put it together for 6 games, we can beat anyone. LSU could be a horrible draw for someone in the 2nd round (I'm not counting the play-in games as the first round).
Posted on 2/16/16 at 3:52 pm to TigerClassic
I doubt it. Not with our coaches. I think jones has improved but not enough.
Posted on 2/16/16 at 4:17 pm to Alt26
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If you separate those 8 games you see that LSU's opponents shot worse on avg. in those first 8 games (~44%) than they have in the the games since (~47%)
So you throw out some silly FG% to prove the point? I can throw out the fact that in the 8 games without Victor, LSU gave up 13.5 offensive rebounds per game on average in those 8 games. To give you an idea of how pathetically AWFUL that is, the LAST team in Division I gives up an average of 12.7 offensive rebounds a game...through 8 games we were one of the worst rebounding teams basically in history. That plays a BIG part in defensive efficiency.
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True, but LSU's overall opponent offensive SOS is 85th (10th in the SEC).
Alright? And the games against Marquette, NC State, Wake, etc we didn't have Victor. Our in conference RPI is top 10. Victor has been back for those
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They are 221st in opponent's FG%; 207th in opponents 3pt %. 271st in opponent's PPG (though you have to take into account the fact that LSU plays a faster game that most) Those poor ranking encompass a lot more than just the first 8 games or just 3 games against good shooting teams.
LSU is 35th in possessions per game, and they're around there in opponents possessions per games. There are roughly 75 possessions per game in a typical LSU game per team. You know how many things can happen throughout a fast paced game like that? Are we great defensively? Of course not. But numbers tell barely any of the story. By the numbers, LSU is an absolutely phenomenal team putting points on the board...but most would say we don't have an exceptional offense.
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Maybe the same, but I wouldn't say "better".
Sometimes common sense is enough. Ask yourself this: Are we better with a combination of Victor/Hornsby or Elbert/Sampson?
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