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This draft proves one thing to me

Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:21 am
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:21 am
no matter what the damn recruiting rankings show, LSU simply doesn't recruit well enough to sustain draft losses and still field a team capable of competing for the SEC every year. we have to depend on returning juniors.

this is not a knock as there are damn few teams in the country that can do this. early entries hobble the vast majority of programs.

we just did not recruit key positions on a consistent basis, mainly the front 7. of course the QB position has been beaten to death.

having said this, I think this year should be a great year and hopefully we will have enough depth to be very competitive in '17 also.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:24 am to
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no matter what the damn recruiting rankings show, LSU simply doesn't recruit well enough to sustain draft losses and still field a team capable of competing for the SEC every year. we have to depend on returning juniors.
Outside of Alabama name another team that has continued to be dominant in the SEC?

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this is not a knock as there are damn few teams in the country that can do this. early entries hobble the vast majority of programs.

I guess you say FSU and Ohio State since they each have a 3 year run currently... forget the fact LSU has been doing it for 10+ years until the wheels fell off last year.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
9800 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:27 am to
That's the same with every SEC school with possibly one current exception. If you lose the lion's share of a talented junior class to the draft, one you were expecting to be senior leaders, it's very likely to have a negative impact on your program for a year or two.

Ask Auburn and Florida fans. Ask Arkansas fans.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202618 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:28 am to
Yes the wheels came off last year. That is s bad sign to me. Lsu has been a great program for 10 years but the last three years has been underachieving .
Posted by jtiga222
mandeville
Member since Jul 2005
732 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:35 am to
I am sort of amazed people still look at it this way.
Recruiting rankings/*s are rankings of how they expect a player to perform going from high school to college football. Using this 3-5 years down the line for the nfl is insane.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:39 am to
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Yes the wheels came off last year. That is s bad sign to me.
Not to me, mainly because of how young they were. Despite previous player losses LSU still had juniors/seniors on one side of the ball or the other. Last year LSU was young on both sides of the ball. The defense stepped back and the offense stepped up from the previous year. Had the defense been up to par as they usually are LSU doesn't look as bad and probably beats Ole Miss or Arkansas.

Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:39 am to
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I guess you say FSU and Ohio State since they each have a 3 year run currently... forget the fact LSU has been doing it for 10+ years until the wheels fell off last year.


sorry, mr poultry man, LSU has not been dominant or in the SEC for 10+ years (ending last year).

we really struggled at the QB position and managed to lose to Bama for 5 of those 10 yrs ye speak of. like it or not, we've been a real good team just not a great one. even our '11 team had to rely on the greatest special teams in the history of the game to win the SEC.
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:44 am to
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until the wheels fell off last year


Did the wheels really fall off last year?
Posted by IntenseKid
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
2760 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:44 am to
We lost 3 games. I'm not sure the wheels fell off. Whether we want to admit it or not, Miles has done a pretty good job here. He's never won less than 8 games a year. Maybe 7 once but never had a losing record. Many programs go through ups and downs and have losing seasons. We have yet to see that, even with losing so much talent in some years. We're fortunate. However, Miles need to produce this year with the wealth of talent we have coming back. Probably the best in his tenure here. Geaux Tigers!
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:46 am to
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sorry, mr poultry man, LSU has not been dominant or in the SEC for 10+ years (ending last year).
LSU has been the second best team behind Alabama since 2005 easily....
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we really struggled at the QB position
Last year Harris showed signs of improvement prior to his injury.

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managed to lose to Bama for 5 of those 10 yrs
This is your main issue, we aren't Alabama.
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
5836 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:47 am to
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man, LSU has not been dominant or in the SEC for 10+ years (ending last year).


I think we have been in the SEC for many years...
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 10:49 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39100 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:48 am to
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Outside of Alabama name another team that has continued to be dominant in the SEC?


Did you read this before you posted it. it's a 14 team conference, right? How many teams do you think can be dominant in a 14 team conference?

Even if this made sense it has no impact on the post to which you were replying. How does it affect his point whether 0, 1, or 12 SEC teams are dominant. He simply points out that LSU does not recruit well enough to sustain the early departures. And he's correct.

What this draft proves to me is that the coaches did a poor job recruiting in '2012 and 2013. And they did a good job on in-season coaching with the experienced talent they had last year.
This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 10:52 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16372 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:49 am to
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Did the wheels really fall off last year?


Well, we were non-competitive vs 3 SECW teams in a row. So I'd say three of the four came off and we had some loose lug nuts on the fourth.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:51 am to
LSU record over the last 10 years:
101-30 77% winning percentage
54-26 in the SEC 77% winning percentage in the SEC

name an SEC team or CFB team that can match that over the last 10 years?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Did you read this before you posted it. it's a 14 team conference, right? How many teams do you think can be dominant in a 14 team conference?

It does, because his entire post is because we are not producing like Alabama. He is envious of them and the fact is NO team is doing what they have done.
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He simply points out that LSU does not recruit well enough to sustain the early departures. And he's correct.

LSU has recruited well to sustain early departures. LSU lost 3 games last year, LSU did not have a losing record. LSU was still ranked most of the year and has been ranked the previous years. That is a sign of good recruiting, they didn't fall apart like Florida, Tennessee, USC, etc....
Posted by ItsThatDude12
Giving out Mercy Knees
Member since Apr 2009
9927 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 10:56 am to
Now give me the win % and stats from the last 4 years please.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:03 am to
37-14 72% overall
20-12 SEC 62%
Posted by IgotKINGfisherSpeed
Arlington, TX
Member since Aug 2011
4516 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:03 am to
Op is spot on. It's a whole lot delusion in this thread. Minus 2011, LSU has been a peach/citrus bowl type of team since 2007, so I don't get the dominant over the last ten years statement. Dominant teams play in the BCS bowls year in and year out.
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:06 am to
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This post was edited on 4/30/16 at 11:10 am
Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 4/30/16 at 11:12 am to
To the people who like to keep telling themself that LSU has been dominant over the past 10 years.

2006- 2 losses
2007- 2 losses
2008- 5 losses
2009- 4 losses
2010- 2 losses
2011- 1 loss
2012- 3 losses
2013- 3 losses
2014- 5 losses
2015- 3 losses
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