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The problem with the second half play calling
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:29 pm
is that we threw too many long passes that are low percentage throws. If we had continued to throw more short and intermediate routes we would have moved the ball and sustained more drives.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:31 pm to Rotiger
Where do you people get this shite at? We took very few passes beyond 15 yards in the second half. Almost nothing vertical. We worked every receiver and tight end we had on out routes, crossing patterns, and screens from running backs.
If we would have continued to not fumble the ball twice and have a holding penalty on a 20 yard pass from our own goal line, we would have sustained drives.
I swear you people don't watch the games.
If we would have continued to not fumble the ball twice and have a holding penalty on a 20 yard pass from our own goal line, we would have sustained drives.
I swear you people don't watch the games.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:35 pm to Rotiger
I'm going to disagree but based on the fact that, if I'm remembering correctly, those deep passes were 1-on-1 coverages. Sometimes the safety could get there, but not quite fast enough.
In the 2nd half MSU was getting more pressure on DE. Like most QBs when they have to move around many times the pass is late and the window missed. I think this was what happened in several cases. I'm convinced the INT by DE against JSU last week would have been a TD if he hadn't had to move up with pressure around the end that delayed the throw just enough.
All in all, I'd rather the late but accurate pass over the hurried inaccurate one, especially in SEC play. Limits turnovers.
In the 2nd half MSU was getting more pressure on DE. Like most QBs when they have to move around many times the pass is late and the window missed. I think this was what happened in several cases. I'm convinced the INT by DE against JSU last week would have been a TD if he hadn't had to move up with pressure around the end that delayed the throw just enough.
All in all, I'd rather the late but accurate pass over the hurried inaccurate one, especially in SEC play. Limits turnovers.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:38 pm to Rotiger
...was the actual execution of aid plays.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:38 pm to Rotiger
We were a few miscues away from having a complete game, both in play calling execution. The great thing is the miscues came from our All American RB. I don't expect those to be an issue going forward.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:38 pm to NWLATigerFan12
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:41 pm to Rotiger
I have no problem at all with the offensive strategy last night.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:43 pm to Rotiger
quote:
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
It's not agreeing to disagree. The statement you posted, about us throwing too many low percentage deep balls, is complete bullshite. You have no factual evidence.
First Possession of 2nd Half Starts at 1:09:02
Here. Find me those plays you're talking about. Come back with some substance to back up your claim, then we'll agree to disagree. Until then, you are full of shite.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:48 pm to Rotiger
We ran to much out of the I with 2 Tight ends and one receiver in second half.. In first half we were running 3 wide sets, single backfield and were opening up whole field. Yes, the fumbles hurt, but still don't change we played not to lose again like usual.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:55 pm to NWLATigerFan12
Again that's your opinion. I'll have to rewatch it. That was my take away last night.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 12:56 pm to Rotiger
You're just looking for a reason to bash the coaches. Usually there are plenty of legit reasons, but for once give it a rest.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:02 pm to Graham Kracka
quote:If I remember correctly, the majority of plays in that formation were when we were backed up deep in our own territory. That's normal for any offense, and totally acceptable- you have to at least hint at the run, or your QB may get hit for a safety.
We ran to much out of the I with 2 Tight ends and one receiver in second half.. In first half we were running 3 wide sets, single backfield and were opening up whole field.
Formations opened up once we were between the 20's, until it was a short yardage play. And then again, you have Fournette, the #1 back in college football out there. The more run-oriented it looks, the more the defense has to focus on him. Actually opens up the pass more, especially if the TEs are targeted.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:04 pm to Rotiger
Ok, I'll play.
Second drive, we throw an intermediate pass where Etling missed a wide open Dural
Third and fourth drives werr sustained till the fumbles
You make a post like this and disregard that what you wanted to see was actually being done
Second drive, we throw an intermediate pass where Etling missed a wide open Dural
Third and fourth drives werr sustained till the fumbles
You make a post like this and disregard that what you wanted to see was actually being done
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:07 pm to Graham Kracka
How many plays did we run out if the I formation in the second half compared to the first? We had terrible field position for much of the second half, so obviously that factors into play selection.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:09 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
quote:. Not to our fans
We had terrible field position for much of the second half, so obviously that factors into play selection.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:46 pm to Graham Kracka
quote:
We ran to much out of the I with 2 Tight ends and one receiver in second half.
Okay...let's look at that then. LSU ran plays out of that formation six times before the last possession on the game and twice more on that possession, when the game was finally sealed for the Tigers. That makes for a total of eight plays in two TEs one WR out of 41 total offensive plays in the second half (not counting punt formation). That comes to just under 20% of the time.
But then let's look at what happened as a result of and the cause of those formations. All but one of those formations, except for the two used in the final possession, were run when LSU was DEEP in their own territory. With three of those being used from LSU's own 1 yard line. LSU managed two long runs for first downs out of those formations. Would have had another first down had Fournette not fumbled on his spin to get free on that 4th and 1, and likely would have scored a touchdown as he had nothing but green grass in front of him after he spun free.
So...what is too much on a formation that proved to be pretty darned successful last night? And let's not forget that we are actually starting to use the TE in the passing game the last two weeks.
To the OP, I only counted one long throw that was a low percentage type of play. The receiver was open, the ball was just slightly overthrown. So...you're full of shite. Still utilized shorter routes and the middle of the field throughout the second half. LSU's uncharacteristic second half passing is what helped keep MSU in the game, we kept stopping the clock for them during the half leaving them ample time to nearly complete the comeback.
Both you (Graham Kracka) and the OP need to open your eyes and stopping seeing what you want to see.
Edit: my play count does include downs that had to be replayed due to penalty, so that 41 is probably high for plays that officially "counted" to the number of plays in the game by the team. But we were discussing formations, so I used them. Also, could have easily miscounted.
This post was edited on 9/18/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/18/16 at 1:49 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
quote:
How many plays did we run out if the I formation in the second half compared to the first? We had terrible field position for much of the second half, so obviously that factors into play selection.
LSU did run a lot out of the I in the second half, but I'm not sure how that compares to the first half. (Don't feel like watching and counting again. Ha.) However, they did still line up in the shotgun often, and used two receivers often in the I.
Posted on 9/18/16 at 2:03 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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(Don't feel like watching and counting again.
Here, I watched and counted the second half just for guys like the OP.
Here.
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