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The Problem with Jefferson
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:01 pm
Even though JJ throws a pathetic deep ball, many people on here praise the fact that he "doesn't make mistakes or doesn't throw pick sixes." Well here's what is happening.
I don't understand how some people on here praise his timing. His timing is pathetic. Yeah he may not make too many mistakes now but it is mainly because he waits for receivers to get open before he puts the ball in the air. Up until this point, he hasn't seen a defense that will make that hurt. Instead of seeing open receivers before the break or off the snap due to coverage, he waits to see it physically.
Against the elite SEC defenses, the window will close and you must throw the ball before breaks. I can feel the moaning/excuses coming when the passing game is non existent in SEC play.
Additionally, the 8 yard passes will no longer be there. The blitz will be in your face and dbs will be jamming receivers on the line. The only way to slow this is to recognize single coverage and make good throws down field. With Jefferson's inability to do this, teams will continue to pin ears back. The running game/ offense will suffer because of insufficiencies under center.
I don't understand how some people on here praise his timing. His timing is pathetic. Yeah he may not make too many mistakes now but it is mainly because he waits for receivers to get open before he puts the ball in the air. Up until this point, he hasn't seen a defense that will make that hurt. Instead of seeing open receivers before the break or off the snap due to coverage, he waits to see it physically.
Against the elite SEC defenses, the window will close and you must throw the ball before breaks. I can feel the moaning/excuses coming when the passing game is non existent in SEC play.
Additionally, the 8 yard passes will no longer be there. The blitz will be in your face and dbs will be jamming receivers on the line. The only way to slow this is to recognize single coverage and make good throws down field. With Jefferson's inability to do this, teams will continue to pin ears back. The running game/ offense will suffer because of insufficiencies under center.
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Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:04 pm to TigerGold4
There is some truth to this. But anticipation is learned through repetition. He'll do better. Remember this was Game #5 for him.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:06 pm to Mike Linebacker
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:06 pm to Srbtiger06
Not at all. Just seeing all of the good young quarterbacks around the country, I'm wondering why can't we get one in here that can effectively distribute the ball to our weapons. I'm just tired of Jordan Jefferson praise when he hasn't performed up to it. When he plays well, I'll give him his due. It just hasn't happened yet.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:07 pm to TigerGold4
The problem with LSU's offense is the OLine dipshiite! With the current skill talent we have JJ should only have to manage the game. Not go out and win one against cupcakes. The dude has sacrificed his body and we haven't stepped into SEC play. THANK God he has wheels. Can you imagine JLee under the same pressure as JJ on almost every play? Frightening! 
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:08 pm to TigerGold4
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The Problem with Jefferson
some here think he just doesn't have enough heart and motor
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:09 pm to SloMeaux
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Can you imagine JLee under the same pressure as JJ on almost every play? Frightening!
+1
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:11 pm to SloMeaux
The oline has been terrible, but Jefferson drifts into pressure and often times make the oline look worse than they are protecting. However, watch how many times Bradford/McCoy/even Jacory Harris (he's young too) hold on to the ball for longer than 2 seconds... Not often. If Jefferson would get rid of the ball on time, the protection would not be as big of a problem.
This post was edited on 9/20/09 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:12 pm to Mike Linebacker
I agree with the OP 100% on this. I dont see how this could turn in or be a racial issue.
Im black so Im not turning this into a race thing. However the OP is right.
JJ to me has everything I would want to see out of a YOUNG qb except anticipation/timing downfield. JJ would light up an inferior defense with a 3rd rate secondary. This will not happen against the likes of Bama and Florida.
The same problem(sorta) happen with JL last season. Teams started to recognize that he was not going to throw down the middle of field because had trouble reading or understanding disguised defenses. EVERYBODY knew it was "Sideline Lafell left" or "Sideline Byrd Right" or screen pass to Williams/Murphy out of the backfield. Once they cut off those 3 and forced lee to look to the middle...........pick six.
However, this is why I was glad JJ took a shot downfield so that he can see firsthand whats wrong. They can go back and show him in the film room and on the practice field what he is doing wrong. He has to anticipate faster downfield.
Anything 15yards or lower he anticipates MUCH faster and rockets the ball in. Down the field where we will have an advantage with tall receivers is where we need to improve in order to open up the run game for Scott and Williams to go to work.
Im black so Im not turning this into a race thing. However the OP is right.
JJ to me has everything I would want to see out of a YOUNG qb except anticipation/timing downfield. JJ would light up an inferior defense with a 3rd rate secondary. This will not happen against the likes of Bama and Florida.
The same problem(sorta) happen with JL last season. Teams started to recognize that he was not going to throw down the middle of field because had trouble reading or understanding disguised defenses. EVERYBODY knew it was "Sideline Lafell left" or "Sideline Byrd Right" or screen pass to Williams/Murphy out of the backfield. Once they cut off those 3 and forced lee to look to the middle...........pick six.
However, this is why I was glad JJ took a shot downfield so that he can see firsthand whats wrong. They can go back and show him in the film room and on the practice field what he is doing wrong. He has to anticipate faster downfield.
Anything 15yards or lower he anticipates MUCH faster and rockets the ball in. Down the field where we will have an advantage with tall receivers is where we need to improve in order to open up the run game for Scott and Williams to go to work.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:12 pm to amarti9
Imagine if Hatch was still here.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:15 pm to SloMeaux
I agree, the O-line sucks, but even if JJ had more time he still couldn't hit the deep ball. I believe thus far he has demonstrated he has NO touch what so ever. This is obvious even on the swing passes. Thus far we do not appear to have a quaterback capable of winning against the better SEC teams.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:15 pm to SloMeaux
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The problem with LSU's offense is the OLine dipshiite! With the current skill talent we have JJ should only have to manage the game. Not go out and win one against cupcakes. The dude has sacrificed his body and we haven't stepped into SEC play. THANK God he has wheels
Yea because the Oline play caused those wonderful long passes we saw last night.
Face the facts at this point in his career the only throw Jefferson can make is the 10 yard hook pattern and even that he waits to long to throw the ball most of the time. He showed flashes of what he can do with the post pattern to Lafell for the TD but that was the only pass he was able to complete besides the hook. Sorry but that is the fact at this point.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:16 pm to amarti9
great analysis. If JJ can throw the deep ball better and earlier, he'll be very dangerous. If he doesn't, it will be hard to keep RS off of the field next year.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:18 pm to PiscesTiger
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Imagine if Hatch was still here.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:21 pm to Stevo
RS will never be the full time starter at QB. Take that to the bank.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:21 pm to TigerGold4
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His timing is pathetic.
I wouldnt say pathetic but I watched a video of the QB's throwing in practice and this is one thing that stood out. Of all the quarterbacks he threw it the LATEST to the receiver in the progression of their route. Chris Garrett threw it, IMO, with the most appropriate timing, followed by JL.
And to correct previous posters, JJ completed several deep passes in the middle of the field vs. GT (most notably to Dickson for a TD), so he obviously has the ability to make these kinds of plays.
This post was edited on 9/20/09 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:21 pm to TheDoc
The problem with JJ is expectation and hype. When he doesn't throw deep, the coaches have him cuffed. Or the playcalling is being checked by miles.
Do people expect sean payton and drew brees?
We have what we have. OLine problems that aren't opening holes or providing much protection. DLine problems that can't pressure or contain. And fans that talk too much during the off season and can't believe the offense would ever have less than a first down every play or the defense doesn't cause a loss or get a TO every play.
Do people expect sean payton and drew brees?
We have what we have. OLine problems that aren't opening holes or providing much protection. DLine problems that can't pressure or contain. And fans that talk too much during the off season and can't believe the offense would ever have less than a first down every play or the defense doesn't cause a loss or get a TO every play.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:24 pm to KLSU
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Yea because the Oline play caused those wonderful long passes we saw last night.
I dunno, wasnt Ciron tossing all those ducks out there?
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:24 pm to jmitc22
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Of all the quarterbacks he threw it the LATEST to the receiver in the progression of their route.
Yup. People can blame it on the OL all they want but IMO it is a bit of both. JJ does tend to hang on to the ball a little too long.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:24 pm to TheDoc
The beauty of JJ right now is really his deep ball anticipation/touch/timing or whatever you want to call it is a little off.
Its not arm strength because he's overthrown wide open receivers down field twice that I can remember.
He has to be quicker on his reads. He cant wait till Tolliver or Lafell are wide open to throw the ball. This isnt a video game.
Its not arm strength because he's overthrown wide open receivers down field twice that I can remember.
He has to be quicker on his reads. He cant wait till Tolliver or Lafell are wide open to throw the ball. This isnt a video game.
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