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The other issue, "Prevent Defense"

Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted by Truetiger68
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
262 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:08 pm
I agree that we have serious QB issues. But another issue that is not talked about is the LSU’s prevent defense. We have had 5 games in the last 2 years that we were either ahead or tied at the end of the game and our “prevent” defense did just that, it prevented us from winning.

11/03/2012 Alabama
LSU ahead 17 – 14 with 1:34 remainingin the game. Bama gets the ball on their own 28, with zero timeouts left. They go 5 plays in 43 seconds for the game winning TD. Bama wins 21 – 17.

12/31/2012 Clemson
LSU ahead 24 – 22 with 1:39 remaining in the game. Clemson gets the ball on their own 20, with 3 times left. They go 18 plays, run the clock out and kick the game winning field goal. Clemson wins 25-24.

09/28/2013 Georgia
LSU ahead 41 – 37 with 4:14 remaining in the game. Georgia gets the ball on their own 20. They go 7 plays in 2 minutes and 32 seconds to score the game winning TD. Georgia wins 44 – 41.

10/19/2013 Ole Miss
The score tied 24 – 24 with 3:15 remaining in the game. Ole Miss gets the ball on their own 15. They go 15 plays in 3 minutes and 15 seconds to score the game winning field goal. Ole Miss wins 27 – 24

11/08/2014 Alabama
LSU ahead 13 – 10 with :50 seconds remaining in regulation. Bama gets the ball on their own 35 with no timeouts left. They go 10 plays in 50 seconds to score the game tying field goal. Bama goes on to win in OT, 20 – 13

I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on this issue. That's 5 loses in 2 years. LSU has lost 10 games in that time span. That's half our loses because LSU could not make a stop when needed.


Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:09 pm to
I don't think you know what a prevent defense is.
Posted by House_of Cards
Pascagoula, MS
Member since Dec 2013
3927 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:10 pm to
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12/31/2012 Clemson LSU ahead 24 – 22 with 1:39 remaining in the game. Clemson gets the ball on their own 20, with 3 times left. They go 18 plays, run the clock out and kick the game winning field goal. Clemson wins 25-24.
Posted by House_of Cards
Pascagoula, MS
Member since Dec 2013
3927 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:10 pm to
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12/31/2012 Clemson LSU ahead 24 – 22 with 1:39 remaining in the game. Clemson gets the ball on their own 20, with 3 times left. They go 18 plays, run the clock out and kick the game winning field goal. Clemson wins 25-24.


Damn, they ran 18 plays?
Posted by Truetiger68
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
262 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:14 pm to
Yes, It was hard to go back and read the box score again. That included a 4 and 16 that was converted for a first down.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70883 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:17 pm to
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I don't think you know what a prevent defense is.



this
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10047 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:17 pm to
We weren't running preven in the majority of those. We blitzed a damn CB against Bama. Defense in general inside of 2 minutes is an issue though. Always seems to be an issue which is part of the reason so many want an offense that doesn't put the D in that situation after completely shutting down the opposing team all game.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:18 pm to
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"Prevent Defense"


We lost the Bama game in 2012 b/c of it.

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12/31/2012 Clemson



Was not prevent defense. We blitzed the hell out of them and they made a great play

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09/28/2013 Georgia



Blown coverage.

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10/19/2013 Ole Miss



Wasn't prevent defense at all. We gave up a 3rd and long on the ground b/c of Welter

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11/08/2014 Alabama



We blitzed again, it didn't work
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5568 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:19 pm to
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5 games in the last 2 years




that's a little misleading considering you dug up games from the past three seasons.

Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42304 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:21 pm to
LSU is not doing much differently than any other teams in those situations late in games. It's on the defense to make a stop or make a play to win those games or have the offense run the clock out when they have the chance.

If you blitz and leave your corners on an island and get burnt deep than what.

Chavis is doing a solid job in those situations, dropping players in coverage to affect passing game mixed with a timely blitz here or there.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14155 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:22 pm to
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11/08/2014 Alabama LSU ahead 13 – 10 with :50 seconds remaining in regulation. Bama gets the ball on their own 35 with no timeouts left. They go 10 plays in 50 seconds to score the game tying field goal. Bama goes on to win in OT, 20 – 13


We lost this game because of the inability of our offense to score points. We had multiple chances to put the game away but the offense stalled out each time, largely due to poor QB play by Jennings.

Overall, the defense played well enough to win the game.
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:25 pm to
We usually drop our corners back 10 yards....I hate this!! If you've stopped them nearly all game, DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!!
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:25 pm to
We usually drop our corners back 10 yards....I hate this!! If you've stopped them nearly all game, DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING!!! We played the last drive of Ole Miss really well though.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43054 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:25 pm to
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11/08/2014 Alabama

We blitzed again, it didn't work
You guys can split hairs all you want over what you 'term' the defense. Bottom line is we've blow our share of games in the last drive. Bama this year we kept giving them the sideline. When a team has no timeouts you give them underneath in the middle of the field, you guard the sidelines and we gave it to them repeatedly.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:27 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:29 pm to
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You guys can split hairs all you want over what you 'term' the defense.


It isn't splitting hairs at all. In no world was Clemson or this year's Bama lost by prevent defense. We were aggressive and Mills missed the game winning sack
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22495 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:30 pm to
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Chavis is doing a solid job in those situations, dropping players in coverage to affect passing game mixed with a timely blitz here or there.
Except when it's a must-stop situation very late in the game, Chavis' defense is seldom adequate.

Which late 1 possession games against competitive ("quality") teams has LSU held on to win close in recent years? This might be a very good question to ask.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
10956 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:39 pm to
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I don't think you know what a prevent defense is.
You can count on hearing this kind of defense (pun intended) whenever this subject is broached because it doesn't fit the narrative of how it's all the fault of the crappy offense or CLM.

Yes, the defense can get worn out due to the offense's inability to stay on the field - no doubt.

But we're talking here about defining moments in a game where supreme effort and defensive coaching and defensive play-calling are the difference between victory and defeat - many times on the Tigers' home field with the crowd squarely in play and the fullness of meaning hinged on the victory. This is when a team is coached (including conditioning - which is supposedly a strength) to rise to glory - regardless of preceding circumstances.

I see softer, less aggressive defenses in these situations with, apparently, no emphasis given or understood regarding such basic strategies as 'tackle players in bounds to prevent clock stoppage'. To me that's on the coaches. What I see, sometimes, has a whiff of playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win.
Posted by Truetiger68
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
262 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:40 pm to
I agree, this is a big issue. When we need a stop to preserve the win, the opposing team goes right down the field and scores.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:52 pm to
I agree with the OP here. I know that these were not technically prevent defenses but a lot of them were soft zones for sure, and we can all say a missed play here or there but WTF? We do this every other year versus Bama. Saban obviously has this shite figured out and we need to do something different.

This looks like the 3rd and Chavis the UT posters warned us about years ago. I love Chief but to say this is not a problem is to ignore reality.
Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
966 posts
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:52 pm to
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11/08/2014 Alabama
LSU ahead 13 – 10 with :50 seconds remaining in regulation. Bama gets the ball on their own 35 with no timeouts left. They go 10 plays in 50 seconds to score the game tying field goal. Bama goes on to win in OT, 20 – 13

I feel this was the only one that we were aggressive. Blake Sims just made really good plays.
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