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The LSU Bama talent differential
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:43 pm
Yes, this thread is about Bama because they are clearly the best and you have to measure yourself against the best.
With that out of the way, what does the talent differential really look like? Basing it on the Bama game, I'm not sure the gap is really that much. They were more experienced at QB but Mett more than held his own. Their O-line was better but given the rag tag group we had patched together for that game, that doesn't necessarily indicate a talent differential. Their corners were better but not all world shut down. Our so called 'mediocre' WRs made plenty of plays on them.
We lost the game and there are no moral victories but I can't say I was too dissapointed by where we stand with respect to the best in terms of pure talent. Miles' players match up pretty well to Saban's players.
With that out of the way, what does the talent differential really look like? Basing it on the Bama game, I'm not sure the gap is really that much. They were more experienced at QB but Mett more than held his own. Their O-line was better but given the rag tag group we had patched together for that game, that doesn't necessarily indicate a talent differential. Their corners were better but not all world shut down. Our so called 'mediocre' WRs made plenty of plays on them.
We lost the game and there are no moral victories but I can't say I was too dissapointed by where we stand with respect to the best in terms of pure talent. Miles' players match up pretty well to Saban's players.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:47 pm to siliconvalleytiger
We have already settled this. Its not the players its the coaches.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:48 pm to siliconvalleytiger
The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:50 pm to Cs
It's the coaching? Larry Coker was awful and coached arguably the best team ever. It's the players.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:51 pm to Paul Allen
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It's the coaching?
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It's the players.
Now confused...
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:52 pm to siliconvalleytiger
It's the coaching on offense. It's the conclusion I'm at.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:52 pm to Cs
The game this year proved that we are just as talented. We statistically dominate the game, but a handful of bad calls ultimately cost us. We'll also have more players drafted this year than any other school, so I'd say our talent is fine.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
It's simple...
Talent: LSU = Alabama
Effort: LSU = Alabama
Execution: LSU < Alabama
The question is: "Why is Alabama execution better than LSU execution?"
I believe it's a combination (mostly on the offensive side) of preparation, focus, and putting athletes in the best position to succeed (i.e. playcalling and personnel usage).
Just my 2 cents.
Talent: LSU = Alabama
Effort: LSU = Alabama
Execution: LSU < Alabama
The question is: "Why is Alabama execution better than LSU execution?"
I believe it's a combination (mostly on the offensive side) of preparation, focus, and putting athletes in the best position to succeed (i.e. playcalling and personnel usage).
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:57 pm to NorthEndZone
QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 8:57 pm to biglego
No it's not. It's called turning talent into performance.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:01 pm to Paul Allen
That's not what good coaching does?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:02 pm to NorthEndZone
Bama won the BCSCG because their gameplan was far superior. This year, like the 2010 and 2011 games, LSU had a better gameplan. Poor calls by Miles ultimately eliminate LSU's chances of an SECCG and lead to a Bama repeat.
Mett easily had the better game this year.
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QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
Mett easily had the better game this year.
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:24 pm to AlexLSU
It's not just how they play head to head. Watch Bama roll thru every SEC defense not named LSU or aTm then watch LSU. I think it's coaching. Not sure if its the play calling or scheme or what but its something on the offensive side that falls under the umbrella of coaching.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:31 pm to Dodd
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QB play IMO. McCannon is clutch, LSU QBs not so much lately.
You cannot be this stupid... Can you?
McCarron 14/27 165 yards 6.1 average 1 touchdown 0 interceptions
Mettenberger 24/35 298 yards 8.5 average 1 touchdown 0 interceptions
McCarron was clutch on the final drives of both halves yes.. But outside of that he was pretty much nowhere.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 9:57 pm to Tigercoop40
I would say Alabama is marginally better coached, and has marginally better talent (unless looking at individual positions like QB over the past 5 years).
This small difference is what separates 3 NCs for Bama and possibly 2 for LSU, honestly.
A little better QB play year and LSU doesn't leave Tuscaloosa with just a 3 point OT win, and then no rematch happens. A little better coaching this year and LSU beats Bama and faces UGA (what happens there, I don't know).
This small difference is what separates 3 NCs for Bama and possibly 2 for LSU, honestly.
A little better QB play year and LSU doesn't leave Tuscaloosa with just a 3 point OT win, and then no rematch happens. A little better coaching this year and LSU beats Bama and faces UGA (what happens there, I don't know).
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:03 pm to Cs
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The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
So, what does that say about every other team that Bama plays.....hell, at least LSU beats them occassionally.
Others (besides A&M this year).....not so much.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 10:07 pm to lsufan251875
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I would say Alabama is noticeably better coached, and has equivalent talent (unless looking at individual positions like QB over the past 5 years).
This substantial coaching difference is what separates 3 NCs for Bama and possibly 2 for LSU, honestly.
Fixed it for you.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:31 pm to Cs
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The coaching differential is substantial, and overshadows any talent advantages either team may have in a given year.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:58 pm to lsusteve1
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So, what does that say about every other team that Bama plays.....hell, at least LSU beats them occassionally.
Others (besides A&M this year).....not so much.
It says that if you flip flop coaching staffs, then LSU has the kind of success that it's capable of achieving, which is the kind of success Alabama has had instead.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:58 pm to BananaHammock
If coaching is so much better, how come miles has the second most wins against Saban( tuberville#1) and has beaten Saban 2/3 years?
This post was edited on 1/21/13 at 11:59 pm
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