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re: The Human Punching Bag - Mr. Joe Alleva

Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:48 pm to
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How anyone can claim this thing is sinking but Alleva bears no responsibility is beyond me.

But it's not beyond you to think Miles bears no responsibility?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:56 pm to
Did I say that? Again, it's possible to criticize both if you don't think in absolutes and pick a label to wave the flag for. I want what's good for LSU, period. I don't think Les or Alleva have been good for LSU lately.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:00 pm to
Well then, you're not one of the people that I was talking about in my post.
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Again, it's possible to criticize both if you don't think in absolutes and pick a label to wave the flag for.

Quit stealing my thunder, I said that first.
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
29115 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:09 pm to
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we aren't winning at the same rate we were under Skip




I just have no idea why anyone gives Bertman for the success during the 03-04 season. as far the track comment, Skip is also the one who managed to let Henry go
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:23 pm to
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DWaginHTown


Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:31 pm to
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Again, it's possible to criticize both if you don't think in absolutes and pick a label to wave the flag for. I want what's good for LSU, period. I don't think Les or Alleva have been good for LSU lately.


I can criticize both, but I don't have anything concrete to point to in regards to blaming Alleva for the leak. For all I know, there's already an agreement in place between "LSU" and another coach, and if that's indeed the case, then the best couse of action would be for Alleva to remain quite, because at least that way everything that does come out can only be considered a rumor.

If he has to come out and answer direct questions, then he's setting himself, and the University, up for a major shitstorm.

As for Les, I have been a Miles lover on here for years, still am. I think in the business that he's in, there is a shelf life for head coaches, and he's right at that expiration date.

What sucks for Les, is that I also don't see Saban at Bama for all that much longer either. I think Nick decides to pack it in relatively soon, and Bama will likely experience a drop-off, so whomever comes in and takes Les' place migh have an "easier" go of it with Bama in 2/3 years.

Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:51 pm to
Under pressure when people's lives are being ruined? Your moral compass is broken. An upright man would ha e resigned instead of going along.

You did not answer my question about the extension. Are you an attorney? I guess that means you have no answer.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:53 pm to
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Everything that's happened over the last two weeks point to him either being incompetent at worst or ineffectual at best. This should have been handled a lot more discretely. It wasn't, LSU is being fried for it, and that's on him.

Nothing at all points to him. This shite is hilarious.
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:54 pm to
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All I'm saying, is that we're already going to lose Les, so let's not compound the issue by attempting to cut off the entire athletic department face to spite ourselves.


The guy has never proven to be a good AD. Not at Duke, not here.

Thats why people have a problem with him.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
9920 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 1:55 pm to
Alleva created the situation that allowed the leaks to surface, whether he leaked the information or not. He cause Chavis to leave, we know that now. He is causing us to lose that #1 recruiting class that we were coveting.

In short, he is doing his best to destroy the golden era of Tiger football, and many of the negatiger fans are following him right into the pit. I didn't think he could screw anything up as much as he did Duke Lacrosse but I was wrong.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:07 pm to
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Nothing at all points to him. This shite is hilarious.




Because you say so? The flow of information out of the athletic department is the responsibility of the athletic director. So far, information leaking out of the that department has caused LSU to be painted as a spoiled child screaming in the grocery store in the national media. It's his responsibility to prevent that, just as its Miles responsibility to not put him a position to have to. The later is being fired, the former is getting a free pass.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:20 pm to
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I can criticize both, but I don't have anything concrete to point to in regards to blaming Alleva for the leak.


Why does that matter? People can come up for a hundred excuses for why Miles gets beat yearly by Bama, and they may be good ones. He's still the head man, it happened on his watch, and he should be running a tighter ship.

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If he has to come out and answer direct questions, then he's setting himself, and the University, up for a major shitstorm.


Completely disagree, his silence has only further fueled speculation and caused it to run rampant, weeks before LSU could even get a replacement. It should have been snuffed out quickly, for the actual discussions to happen out of the spotlight.

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As for Les, I have been a Miles lover on here for years, still am. I think in the business that he's in, there is a shelf life for head coaches, and he's right at that expiration date.

What sucks for Les, is that I also don't see Saban at Bama for all that much longer either. I think Nick decides to pack it in relatively soon, and Bama will likely experience a drop-off, so whomever comes in and takes Les' place migh have an "easier" go of it with Bama in 2/3 years.




Agree with all of this but it's a different discussion. This isn't about the decision to fire Miles, its about the handling of it, and LSU's brand. There was a better way to do it, one that didn't give the overwhelming indication that LSU is just knee-jerking to three losses in what might have been a 10 win season with the McNeese game. That was to put up a strong front, not let things seep out and fan the flames by being silent, and to have these negotiations in private. There's a good chance that once Mile's knows he's not coaching anymore one way or the other, he simply accepts a discrete buyout and goes out with dignity. At worst, you're exactly where you are now but the entire thing is done in a week, and there is no long slow bleeding for a month waiting for the season to end.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
57832 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:27 pm to
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Oh, I know that some of you looooooathe Joe Alleva, for whatever reason you have in your head - maybe it's jealousy - I don't know.


He disbanded an entire lacrosse team at Duke over unsubstantiated charges that proved to be false and ruined many athletes lives. This is a pretty substantial reason to dislike him.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
66885 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:39 pm to
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He disbanded an entire lacrosse team at Duke over unsubstantiated charges that proved to be false and ruined many athletes lives. This is a pretty substantial reason to dislike him.


Just ignore the fact that they had a prosecutor who was disbarred for trumping up the charges and misrepresenting the facts to the public.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:53 pm to
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He disbanded an entire lacrosse team at Duke over unsubstantiated charges that proved to be false and ruined many athletes lives. This is a pretty substantial reason to dislike him.

Negatiger
Posted by Hollywood
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
2134 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:56 pm to
These are the same lizard people fans that blamed Alleva for the weather the day of the McNeese game.
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
10472 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 2:57 pm to
Alleva your Uncle or third cousin or something?
Posted by BGSB
Opelousas
Member since Jan 2010
2257 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 3:02 pm to
Ahh, the perception of Alleva on this board, the shift is on, I have no opinion of the man, just watch the games, but it's fun to watch this board do the about face thing so often, Lol
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31796 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 3:15 pm to
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Did it ever, for even the slightest second, cross your minds that he is not responsible for either of those situations, and that maybe he's trying to handle the situation the best way possible?



Then why do members of the press say that he was the one who leaked it?
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
34623 posts
Posted on 11/25/15 at 3:36 pm to
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the campus parking and traffic situations is where I bash Alleva



That may be the dumbest thing I've read on here.


why do you say that?

I have some background in logistics and movement of large numbers of people and equipment...the athletic department doesn't want to give up any control...
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