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re: The Human Punching Bag - Mr. Joe Alleva
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:02 am to vl100butch
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:02 am to vl100butch
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the campus parking and traffic situations is where I bash Alleva
That may be the dumbest thing I've read on here.
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:07 am to TheCaterpillar
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Alleva has done a very good job as AD. Sports are up across the board, revenue is WAY up and surplus donated to academics, facilities are MUCH better for every sport, etc.
Because of the success of the football program under a coach he didn't hire and isn't giving a vote of confidence in.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:09 am to Number2
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agree. I equate it with the hate for Roger Goodell
Woah, I don't like Alleva, but I would never put him in the same convo as that scum bag.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:20 am to dgnx6
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Alleva has done a very good job as AD. Sports are up across the board, revenue is WAY up and surplus donated to academics, facilities are MUCH better for every sport, etc.
We have arguably the most talented player in the country in the 3 major sports, a great softball team, a national champ golf team, a good gymnastics team, etc.
Revenue is way up at every school. Even Mississippi state has doubled their revenue over the last ten years. TV deals and the SEC bringing in more money than it ever has doesn't have much to do with Alleva.
The LSU football facility is out of date compared to most of the SEC.
If you hold Les accountable, you should hold Alleva accountable. Baseball, Basketball, Woman's Basketball, and Football have all underperformed for the last 3-4 years, and his track record of hires should scare anyone to think that he might be in charge of who comes after Les.
If you want to keep Alleva here because you're a softball, tennis, golf, or LSU fringe sport fan then I understand, but in the major sports at LSU we have been mediocre and plagued with poor coaching across the board.
I honestly didn't think he needed to be fired until how poorly he has handled the last two weeks. If the leaks are from him, he should be fired. Extremely unprofessional and you can't allow for those distractions during the season. If the leaks are not from him, they're coming from his administration and people are going over his head. He has show zero backbone and apparently isn't running a tight ship.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:31 am to RummelTiger
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The Human Punching Bag - Mr. Joe Alleva
Well I have not punched him, simply because I have no evidence to justify said punch. That being said, he is very quiet now, which gives me hope that a decision on how to handle the Les situation is not final.
I don't know what the best way to handle it is, but my opinion is that Les deserves 1 more season, not because I believe he will turn it around, I just believe he has earned that much.
I don't know that waiting 1 season will make that much of a difference in the future of this team. I also have no idea how the leak occurred, but since Joe has been quiet, I believe a good way to handle it, would be to sit with Les privately and work out a deal for next season.
Maybe that a playoff appearance is paramount to him keeping his job, along with a plan for his retirement at the end of the season if that goal is not reached. That way the man can go out with the dignity I believe he deserves.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:34 am to FrancisFromScottLA
:cheers:Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:37 am to RummelTiger
Amen.
These anti-Alleva people are probably jsut really anti-AD people - the ones who hated Skip as AD and hated Joe Dean as AD. They are just miserable, drama queens who consider their opinions as fact.
These anti-Alleva people are probably jsut really anti-AD people - the ones who hated Skip as AD and hated Joe Dean as AD. They are just miserable, drama queens who consider their opinions as fact.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:37 am to geauxtigers87
quote:High profile? You see, that's the problem. He's simply not. Never was. He's a mediocre coach at a High Profile program. He got lucky. Simple as that.
it's not easy to change coaches who are as high profile as Les.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:39 am to SG_Geaux
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Alleva is like Miles as far as the fans are concerned.
I wish people wouldn't use such general terms when describing large groups of people. Its like politicians saying "the American people don't..." as if all 320 million think the same way. All LSU fans do not think the same way.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:39 am to RummelTiger
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As for the leaks, there have been numerous people saying that the leaks have come from the coaching staff, and I know of one, that at least has some semblance of legs, that confirms that.
Shea Dixon squashed this, going so far as to say he knows for fact it isn't true. An assistant doing this would be career suicide. If you think about it for more than 10 seconds, that whole theory falls apart. I'm not in the crowd that thinks he leaked it on purpose, but you can't argue that it hasn't been damaging to LSU's image, and it's his job to control things like this.
Everything that's happened over the last two weeks point to him either being incompetent at worst or ineffectual at best. This should have been handled a lot more discretely. It wasn't, LSU is being fried for it, and that's on him.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Everything that's happened over the last two weeks point to him either being incompetent at worst or ineffectual at best. This should have been handled a lot more discretely. It wasn't, LSU is being fried for it, and that's on him.
That's my take on Alleva. The job is hard, and he hasn't been up to it. I don't think he's evil or even incompetent, I just think he has lost control of the situation here.
I do dispute sports are up. LSU won a title in men's golf, the first national title since baseball in 2009. A six-year gap in national titles in all sports is the longest such drought at LSU since 1987. Part of that is we no longer when track every year, but still... we aren't winning at the same rate we were under Skip. Though we aren't getting slapped with lawsuits like we were under Dean, so that's a positive.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 11:54 am to RummelTiger
I'm kind of leery of Alleva but you've always had a logical and rational take on things from football stuff to hurricanes (plus you have one of the all time best aviators) so if you're vouching for him, that says a lot in my book.
Besides, this thing could end up being a home run with the right hire so I think it's way too soon to bash the guy.
I do think it seems strange that coaches would put out a leak that the coaches were coaching for their job. But if Alleva did put that out as part of a plan to do this thing in the most efficient way practicable then I don't think it would be a bad thing if he started the leak.
Besides, this thing could end up being a home run with the right hire so I think it's way too soon to bash the guy.
I do think it seems strange that coaches would put out a leak that the coaches were coaching for their job. But if Alleva did put that out as part of a plan to do this thing in the most efficient way practicable then I don't think it would be a bad thing if he started the leak.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:18 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Shea Dixon squashed this, going so far as to say he knows for fact it isn't true.
I disagree...
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:25 pm to RummelTiger
So who is orchestrating this...the money folks ?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:32 pm to RummelTiger
Justin Vincent isn't a coach, even if he calls himself one.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:39 pm to RummelTiger
What's most amusing to me is that the "positigers", who support Miles in anything he does, and bashes those who criticize him, calling them "negatigers", and equating that with hating LSU and the university, and not being "real fans.....are some of the very ones that are criticizing Alleva, even though they have no idea if he is in fact driving this.
Yet for some reason, in their minds, they think it's no reflection on THEIR love for the university. Even though some have literally stated that they hate Alleva.
I love me some hypocrisy.
Yet for some reason, in their minds, they think it's no reflection on THEIR love for the university. Even though some have literally stated that they hate Alleva.
I love me some hypocrisy.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:45 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Justin Vincent isn't a coach, even if he calls himself one.
C'mon, he's in the inner circle and a ranking member of the program.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:45 pm to Festus
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What's most amusing to me is that the "positigers", who support Miles in anything he does, and bashes those who criticize him, calling them "negatigers", and equating that with hating LSU and the university, and not being "real fans.....are some of the very ones that are criticizing Alleva, even though they have no idea if he is in fact driving this.
Or I'm a grownup capable or critical thought and think labels like that are for idiots?
How anyone can claim this thing is sinking but Alleva bears no responsibility is beyond me.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:46 pm to RummelTiger
Downvoted because I don't like you for whatever reason I have in my head.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 12:47 pm to Linkovich
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C'mon, he's in the inner circle and a ranking member of the program.
Probably not for much longer.
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