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The Difference Between an Interim HC and Being the HC
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:04 pm
As interim, one typically inherits a predicament. He can leverage all the good things the previous admin did He can be the hero, but not the goat. No pressure. I thought O did well as interim HC.
As HC, he has to grow his own funk. He can be the goat as well as the hero. Constant pressure. And now, Ed is failing and there are zero excuses for it.
I'm amazed at how fast and far we've fallen.
And FTR, I really hope Ed gets it together and prospers as our HC. Really do.
As HC, he has to grow his own funk. He can be the goat as well as the hero. Constant pressure. And now, Ed is failing and there are zero excuses for it.
I'm amazed at how fast and far we've fallen.
And FTR, I really hope Ed gets it together and prospers as our HC. Really do.
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:06 pm to AlwysATgr
Grow a pair
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:12 pm to AlwysATgr
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I thought O did well as interim HC.
There was not a single game he won as interim head coach where a team had a defense worth a shite - especially run defense. I said it last year before the UF game and will say it until I die. It was all smoke and mirrors and dumbasses like our political figures in LA couldn't see through it. That was nothing more than a polictical hire. Period.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:19 pm to AlwysATgr
I'm amazed at how far our fanbase has fallen. It's nothing like it once was and I mean nothing like it.
There's many things that go into changing up a team and most times you have some retooling to do. He's changing things, some may not like it, some may quit, some may respond, you have to get a feel for things. This thing won't be fixed right away.
We absolutely could have gotten a better coach but we didn't do that. Our fans need to get over it and support this team. They need our fans the most at this time, whether you like the hire, agreed with it or not. It is what it is. Complaining about it does nothing. We improved on penalties so much so that we almost didn't commit (1).
We are now missing tackles and are playing out of position at times. If the players would trust each other to play their assignments, tackle with more conviction, and in space, this defense will get better. The secondary needs to do a better job as well. We need to add depth along the LOS on both sides. All this playing time will come in handy next year and hopefully we can add depth. If we can get the job done in recruiting I really believe by 2019 we'll have a very good team.
There are no excuses though, the coaches need to spend more time with these guys and hopefully they go into work every Sunday for film sessions. The coaches need to do a better job of knowing what we are and playing to our strengths. The OL has to get tough and quick. Something is seriously wrong with the OL. Our fans need to be real about this. The team will get better.
There's many things that go into changing up a team and most times you have some retooling to do. He's changing things, some may not like it, some may quit, some may respond, you have to get a feel for things. This thing won't be fixed right away.
We absolutely could have gotten a better coach but we didn't do that. Our fans need to get over it and support this team. They need our fans the most at this time, whether you like the hire, agreed with it or not. It is what it is. Complaining about it does nothing. We improved on penalties so much so that we almost didn't commit (1).
We are now missing tackles and are playing out of position at times. If the players would trust each other to play their assignments, tackle with more conviction, and in space, this defense will get better. The secondary needs to do a better job as well. We need to add depth along the LOS on both sides. All this playing time will come in handy next year and hopefully we can add depth. If we can get the job done in recruiting I really believe by 2019 we'll have a very good team.
There are no excuses though, the coaches need to spend more time with these guys and hopefully they go into work every Sunday for film sessions. The coaches need to do a better job of knowing what we are and playing to our strengths. The OL has to get tough and quick. Something is seriously wrong with the OL. Our fans need to be real about this. The team will get better.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:21 pm to BayouBengal99
O isn't a good coach. Yes he is dealing with unfortunate circumstances but LSU will not be elite under him
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:23 pm to AlwysATgr
You see, we no longer have to explain this to people. O's SEC record speaks for itself. It will continue to speak as the season goes on.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:24 pm to AlwysATgr
I honestly don't think it's O's fault completely. Canada's offense, for the most part doesn't work against big AND fast SEC defenses. Talking Syracuse, their play shows how beneficial watching tape can be.
I am not sold on O. His track record has bothered me since day one. But, I'm not ready to start fireed.net.... yet.
I am not sold on O. His track record has bothered me since day one. But, I'm not ready to start fireed.net.... yet.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:36 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:We are down 8 spots in the polls from the beginning of the season. Wasn't the team unranked when Orgeron took over?
I'm amazed at how fast and far we've fallen.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:45 pm to Tigerbait357
I have faith that LSU will get better players in here under O though. I also think he will get a much more tough overall team in here as well. This staff and it's been proven over and over that they can spot talent, whether that talent be 5* 4* 3* and even 2* players. We need a different type of player at LSU in many areas, I think O and his staff can get those type of players we need in here while adding depth.
Again I'm not excusing a damn thing we must get better but I think they will get better as the year goes. Look how much difference just Lawrence made on the DL, huge. They need to whip them into shape and IMO that is indeed on O for not having these DLman in tip top shape. That has to change and he needs to stay on them if need be. Give them a freakn diet plan. Weigh them every damn day, have them run off any weight gained that day or week.
These coaches need to stay on these kids and get closer to them. They are boys, you can't let them have too much rope if any at all. You can still make the work fun at the same time. There needs to be more structure for sure. Get these guys some LSU polo's and have them look and act professional at all times. More time needs to be spent with these boys. If he wants this job then he needs to act fast and work tirelessly to fix things. Go talk to them personally, ask them what would they need to get them more game ready now. Ask them what are they not understanding and work with them.
Talk with Canada, look at the drives which went flawlessly and do more of that, but change up tendency so the defense doesn't guess correctly. Change up the down you run and pass. Use more shorter routes running across the field, have them sit in zones, there just needs to be more work done with the young guys and shore up what the veterans are doing wrong.
A fire needs to be lit in Tolliver, and Alexander. I know they got off to a bad start but that's no excuse to play so lackadaisical. We need all the help we can get and their futures are on the line so a real gut check needs to be had with those guys. We can get better, I saw White and Lawrence play a much better game. Key if he's not in top shape needs to play with his weight advantage. Hold his side of the field. We need to be more smart and patient across the board. Don't put the pressure on yourself, play a more tough game, but let the plays come to you, stop chasing every damn thing. That's what made us so much better last year. They played their role, didn't go outside of the scheme. Aranda will shore that up. Focus baby focus.
Again I'm not excusing a damn thing we must get better but I think they will get better as the year goes. Look how much difference just Lawrence made on the DL, huge. They need to whip them into shape and IMO that is indeed on O for not having these DLman in tip top shape. That has to change and he needs to stay on them if need be. Give them a freakn diet plan. Weigh them every damn day, have them run off any weight gained that day or week.
These coaches need to stay on these kids and get closer to them. They are boys, you can't let them have too much rope if any at all. You can still make the work fun at the same time. There needs to be more structure for sure. Get these guys some LSU polo's and have them look and act professional at all times. More time needs to be spent with these boys. If he wants this job then he needs to act fast and work tirelessly to fix things. Go talk to them personally, ask them what would they need to get them more game ready now. Ask them what are they not understanding and work with them.
Talk with Canada, look at the drives which went flawlessly and do more of that, but change up tendency so the defense doesn't guess correctly. Change up the down you run and pass. Use more shorter routes running across the field, have them sit in zones, there just needs to be more work done with the young guys and shore up what the veterans are doing wrong.
A fire needs to be lit in Tolliver, and Alexander. I know they got off to a bad start but that's no excuse to play so lackadaisical. We need all the help we can get and their futures are on the line so a real gut check needs to be had with those guys. We can get better, I saw White and Lawrence play a much better game. Key if he's not in top shape needs to play with his weight advantage. Hold his side of the field. We need to be more smart and patient across the board. Don't put the pressure on yourself, play a more tough game, but let the plays come to you, stop chasing every damn thing. That's what made us so much better last year. They played their role, didn't go outside of the scheme. Aranda will shore that up. Focus baby focus.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:51 pm to Tiger1988
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There was not a single game he won as interim head coach where a team had a defense worth a shite - especially run defense. I said it last year before the UF game and will say it until I die. It was all smoke and mirrors and dumbasses like our political figures in LA couldn't see through it.
But we broke records against Missouri, Southern Miss, and Ole Miss!!!
The magic was back!!
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:52 pm to AlwysATgr
three million a year in this case.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:54 pm to BayouBengal99
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We absolutely could have gotten a better coach but we didn't do that. Our fans need to get over it and support this team. They need our fans the most at this time, whether you like the hire, agreed with it or not. It is what it is. Complaining about it does nothing. We improved on penalties so much so that we almost didn't commit (1).
For some reason people on here think that speaking out against the administration and its choice as head coach before the hire and since then means that people like me don't support the team. I put up the same money last year and this year for both the endowment fund and TAF (plus everything else).
I love the kids that do it right. Play hard and go to class. I think leaving, like a lot of them did, is a reflection of our "throw away, soft, entitled arse society". With that said, the coaches recruit and mentor these kids including their development into young men.
Why O couldn't keep them seems questionable in terms of how he is managing the off the field issues like staying connected to those players.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 3:01 pm to Tiger1988
quote:Yeah, I don't understand this. It's like people think we want this team to suck. We want the best for LSU and we believe they deserve it. We look at our program in high regard. The Wall Street Journal values this team as a the number 5 most valuable college football program. LINK We should act like it. We are watching the demise of our program and we're supposed to sit here and say "Oh well". No. I refuse to sit here and watch us fall into a pit without acknowledging it.
For some reason people on here think that speaking out against the administration and its choice as head coach before the hire and since then means that people like me don't support the team.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:27 pm to Tiger1988
I don't know about the "get a better coach". SEC style coaches are not plentiful.
Honestly after we couldn't get Jimbo, I live in Houston and he is definitely not an SEC coach. PJ Fleck would have been much better. Plus, we could have easily outbid and drawn him away from a tier 2 Big10 school.
Still, right now I put the blame %70 Canada and %30 O.
Honestly after we couldn't get Jimbo, I live in Houston and he is definitely not an SEC coach. PJ Fleck would have been much better. Plus, we could have easily outbid and drawn him away from a tier 2 Big10 school.
Still, right now I put the blame %70 Canada and %30 O.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:36 pm to abellsujr
What can you do about it at this time? Complaining doesn't help a god damn thing never has and never will. Everyone can see the product EVERYONE.
It's not like fans NEED to voice every all this negetive speculation when they don't really know what's going on or how things REALLY are. You don't know the facts therefor, you're simply spewing negativity when we just hired a new coach and put in a new system.
They need time and will get that time so why not look at things from a different perspective. There are some positives and improvements from last week. I don't think Cuse is that much worse than State TBH. We simply had anything and everything go wrong in that game. If all fell apart and there was no stopping it. New coaches have those games no matter who they are.
No one is going to change a thing by talking down on the team. No one. Our fans overreact so damn quickly. This guy hasn't had a chance to show anything at this point. They have to improve, everyone knows it. Let's hope that happens instead of insisting that it won't, both are speculating but one is believing in LSU the other isn't.
It's not like fans NEED to voice every all this negetive speculation when they don't really know what's going on or how things REALLY are. You don't know the facts therefor, you're simply spewing negativity when we just hired a new coach and put in a new system.
They need time and will get that time so why not look at things from a different perspective. There are some positives and improvements from last week. I don't think Cuse is that much worse than State TBH. We simply had anything and everything go wrong in that game. If all fell apart and there was no stopping it. New coaches have those games no matter who they are.
No one is going to change a thing by talking down on the team. No one. Our fans overreact so damn quickly. This guy hasn't had a chance to show anything at this point. They have to improve, everyone knows it. Let's hope that happens instead of insisting that it won't, both are speculating but one is believing in LSU the other isn't.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:58 pm to BayouBengal99
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This guy hasn't had a chance to show anything at this point. They have to improve, everyone knows it.
I think if Jimbo or Herman or any other "successful" HC would have been hired and we were going through the same thing, our fanbase wouldnt be calling for their head like they are for O. Orgerons resume is putrid so people just cant help but feel like its the same ole song and dance from his Ole Miss days. A head coach that nobody wanted from the beginning will have a hard time satisfying people. Thats why I just cant fathom why Alleva would hire him.
He was the WORST COACH IN OLE MISS HISTORY. Yeah, lets hire THAT guy.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:08 pm to AlwysATgr
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I'm amazed at how fast and far we've fallen.
Have we really fallen? Miles was fired for a reason. LSU is 3-1 and ranked 22. Did anyone expect much different?
O will not have us elite. But we weren't even elite when he took over.
The lack of depth is astounding. I just don't know how that could happen.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:10 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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Thats why I just cant fathom why Alleva would hire him.
I'm thinking Alleva was compelled to hire O by other powers, be it boosters or political powers. I also believe Alleva wanted to fire Miles after 2015 but was prevented. This makes the big buyout understandable--Alleva was forced to hitch his wagon to a terrible coach, so he slapped on a big buyout to maybe prolong things.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:10 pm to BayouBengal99
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We absolutely could have gotten a better coach but we didn't do that. Our fans need to get over it
No, we really don't. Bad is bad and this evolving rebuild narrative is pure political cover. I could say the rebuild is as much necessary for the next guy because of the job the current guy is doing.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:13 pm to AlwysATgr
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As interim, one typically inherits a predicament. He can leverage all the good things the previous admin did He can be the hero, but not the goat. No pressure. I thought O did well as interim HC.
Yeah, all O had to do was open up the offense a little and voila, he looked like a hero. Play the "us against the world" card or whatever to amp up the team.
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