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Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:47 pm to larry289
So Florida's base runner running outside the line intentionally impeding the Dp throw to 2nd was out by the same rule. Very good point. Goose. Gander.
But the announcers just called it "smart base running." Still by rule, he's out. Of course THAT wasn't called.
But the announcers just called it "smart base running." Still by rule, he's out. Of course THAT wasn't called.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:48 pm to jwall3
Not here 
Not touching it here,
Long after the initial contact.
Not here
Or here
Adding the second angle posted above.
So who's the idiot? Gotta love the clueless morons that show up in the postseason.
Not touching it here,
Long after the initial contact.
Not here
Or here
Adding the second angle posted above.
So who's the idiot? Gotta love the clueless morons that show up in the postseason.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:48 pm to SeekGreatness
Yep, he darn sure missed that moment
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm to tLSU
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Again, he's going spikes up right into the dude's shin... That shite is even called in MLB post-Utley slide.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm to tLSU
Looks like that tucked leg went right over the bag and then untucked rolled to the side
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm to larry289
The rule states that the runner must take a direct path to the base. That path depends on the baserunner's starting position, not bag to bag, but it's approxiametly bag to bag.
Interesting scenario. It's a judgement call and I see your point. The reason that is less likely to be called is because it does not factor ill intent, which seems to be the only time the call is made anyway.
Interesting scenario. It's a judgement call and I see your point. The reason that is less likely to be called is because it does not factor ill intent, which seems to be the only time the call is made anyway.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm to tLSU
He didn't even try to touch the bag. That's where slaughter messed up. If he reaches out with his hands I think it's a different call
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:49 pm to Broski
Contact must be above the knee to be illegal per rule
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:50 pm to jwall3
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Contact must be above the knee to be illegal per rule
That's only if you are sliding at the bag.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:51 pm to SeekGreatness
If ruled interference, both he and the batter would have been out.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:51 pm to larry289
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do you expect the umpire in this situation to wait to see if the DP is affected??? He has to make the call right when he sees it. The call is probably not made if Slaughter's foot doesn't clip the short stop, and Slaughter actually stops on the bag.do you expect the umpire in this situation to wait to see if the DP is affected??? He has to make the call right when he sees it. The call is probably not made if Slaughter's foot doesn't clip the short stop, and Slaughter actually stops on the bag.
I'm not defending or condemning the call, but yes he could have hesitated literally less than 2 seconds to see the result of the play. Now if the DP had been affected then any ump makes the call regardless. It's good debate and that's baseball
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:52 pm to jwall3
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Looks like that tucked leg went right over the bag and then untucked rolled to the side
No, he slid behind the bag. Because that's where the guy he was trying to spike was positioned.
Here is the "untucked leg" and it's behind the bag.
But I've posted 5 photos. Let's see yours.
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:52 pm to Broski
Again, the leg that is tucked caught the bag. It was a call that could be made or not be made. I don't care. Just thought it was bad for the game situation. Do t lose your mind over it. You can still have your opinion and Florida still won.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:53 pm to jwall3
I just wonder why the play can't be treated like a ground rule double
give any other runner the base they were moving to since they were uncontested and put up the 2 outs
I'm not questioning the interference... Slaughter made a bad mistake... but don't take a run off the board that would've scored under any normal circumstance
give any other runner the base they were moving to since they were uncontested and put up the 2 outs
I'm not questioning the interference... Slaughter made a bad mistake... but don't take a run off the board that would've scored under any normal circumstance
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:08 am to easy money
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Interesting scenario. It's a judgement call and I see your point. The reason that is less likely to be called is because it does not factor ill intent, which seems to be the only time the call is made anyway.
Understood, but in this case the runner has taken a lead and is "always" directly in line drawn between 1st and 2nd to shorten the distance back to first on a pick-off. In this case the ball is hit to the 2nd baseman right to his right front and he knows all he can do to affect the play at 2nd is run in an arc to put himself between the 2nd baseman and the throw to the SS coming across for the pitch. He chose this method because he could not get there in time for his slide to affect the play.
Therefore, you can call it smart base running as the announcers did, but it was 100% intentional to shield the bag from the 2nd baseman's pitch to the SS (Kramer) coming across to make the play to first.
How do I know this? I was taught to do it in American Legion ball in 1966.
I do not know if there is an actual rule that would address this, but I do know that a base runner cannot impede an infielder from catching a ground ball and also the slide to break up a play at a bag. Seems to stand to reason this would be a violation.
Additionally, it was one of the most egregious examples of how to do this I've seen in a long time. I don't think the nunbnuts commenting on it for ESPN have no clue.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:22 am to TigersD69
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Now you are talking old school baseball! However the purist in me was taught that if Slaughter is not getting down and running up to "deck" the SS that he in turn puts the ball right between Slaughters eyes. And that my friend is how purist baseball is self governed
Mr. Purist - You're n joke! No way does Slaughter get one between the eyes for that slide in majors! He had the perfect college slide position with one cleat semi-up - not even close to being a serious attempt to cleat SS! That was closer to a normal major league slide to break up the DP than anything close to deserving one in the head, maybe a brush back high and tight, but not even worth HBP. Get a grip and go back to LL! To all the idiots bringing up the 8th, those runs would never have happened if ump wouldn't have made that bonehead call that took tying run off board... Big Mo crashed and burned, Tigers balloon completely deflated by an awful, unfair call by anal unp.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:27 am to theunknowntigerfan
I think the Shortstop sold it which in turn caught Blue's attention. Have seen much worse go uncalled and let us not forget the missed basepath running interference which went uncalled...the game needs replay, badly.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:29 am to rt3
Anytime interference is called it is a dead ball and all runners stay on the bag they were on before the interference was called
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:29 am to wfallstiger
Replaying everything would slow the game down and make it unbearable to watch
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