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The BIGGEST advantage of Harris
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:08 pm
By this point even Les Miles' himself knows that Harris is the better of the two quarterbacks, so this post will not argue the point of who should be starting. Rather, it's worth discussing the difference between the two and the biggest advantage LSU has with Harris as the QB and why it will have a dramatic impact on the remainder of the season.
Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes. The same offense that could barely muster a touchdown in an entire quarter all the sudden became a running powerhouse. Why? The answer is simple, the THREAT of the pass.
Defenses study game film and the reality of Jennings passing prowess was that he really isn't very good. A good deep ball, but very poor on the screens, below average crossing patterns and doesn't really see the field very well. In short, stack the box and dare him to throw it. Unfortunately for Jennings, he wasn't fleet enough of foot to run away from the defenses either, which meant when he's in LSU is going to pound the ball. So load the box and take your chances with them beating you with the long ball. If any of this sounds familiar, it should. It was the entire premise of the JJ vs. JL arguement.
This story has a different twist though. Brandon Harris isn't just a better passer than Jennings, he's a much bigger threat running the ball. Fast, shifty, elusive. Whereas Jennings runs like a Mack truck, Harris runs like a deer and not of the John variety.
In short, what you get with Harris is the respect of the defense. Wether he passes or not, they know he can and that knowledge will force them to open up the defensive front. We saw it last week, last night and we will the remainder of the season. And if LSU can continue to effectively run the ball this year we are going to surprise some teams.
I like the idea that our best QB, best RB and best WR's are all true freshmen. The reality is that we probably aren't good enough defensively to win a NC this year, but I have no doubt we'll get better. The future is bright though Tiger fans and I'm looking forward to our trio of super frosh and the show they'll be putting on for the next few years. We'll take our lumps this year, but the future looks bright.
Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes. The same offense that could barely muster a touchdown in an entire quarter all the sudden became a running powerhouse. Why? The answer is simple, the THREAT of the pass.
Defenses study game film and the reality of Jennings passing prowess was that he really isn't very good. A good deep ball, but very poor on the screens, below average crossing patterns and doesn't really see the field very well. In short, stack the box and dare him to throw it. Unfortunately for Jennings, he wasn't fleet enough of foot to run away from the defenses either, which meant when he's in LSU is going to pound the ball. So load the box and take your chances with them beating you with the long ball. If any of this sounds familiar, it should. It was the entire premise of the JJ vs. JL arguement.
This story has a different twist though. Brandon Harris isn't just a better passer than Jennings, he's a much bigger threat running the ball. Fast, shifty, elusive. Whereas Jennings runs like a Mack truck, Harris runs like a deer and not of the John variety.
In short, what you get with Harris is the respect of the defense. Wether he passes or not, they know he can and that knowledge will force them to open up the defensive front. We saw it last week, last night and we will the remainder of the season. And if LSU can continue to effectively run the ball this year we are going to surprise some teams.
I like the idea that our best QB, best RB and best WR's are all true freshmen. The reality is that we probably aren't good enough defensively to win a NC this year, but I have no doubt we'll get better. The future is bright though Tiger fans and I'm looking forward to our trio of super frosh and the show they'll be putting on for the next few years. We'll take our lumps this year, but the future looks bright.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:09 pm to mytigger
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Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes
I noticed one pass on the first series
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:14 pm to mytigger
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In short, what you get with Harris is the respect of the defense. Wether he passes or not, they know he can and that knowledge will force them to open up the defensive front. We saw it last week, last night and we will the remainder of the season. And if LSU can continue to effectively run the ball this year we are going to surprise some teams.
Their release speed is night and day. Pretty obvious the coaches feel more confident letting Harris throw it, because unless he hits a defender in the chest they have very little chance of reacting to the ball and picking him off. Saying Jennings has touch is really just a euphemism for floating the ball. Not sure why that hasn't been talked about here more, it's the most striking physical difference, and a major advantage for any QB.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:15 pm to mytigger
His skill set means we can have that vertical passing attack of Cam Cameron along with the power rushing attack of Les.
2 dimensional O > 1 dimensional O.
The rushing / passing aspect is a symbiont relationship. Successfully passing the ball helps open up the running game, and successfully running the ball helps open up the passing game. Add in the weapons we have at RB and WR, theres no reason why we cant be successful at both with Harris at QB. And it will help our OL a lot as well. Its hard running the ball vs a stacked box. Being able to beat teams with the passing game will get guys out of the box and open up running lanes.
2 dimensional O > 1 dimensional O.
The rushing / passing aspect is a symbiont relationship. Successfully passing the ball helps open up the running game, and successfully running the ball helps open up the passing game. Add in the weapons we have at RB and WR, theres no reason why we cant be successful at both with Harris at QB. And it will help our OL a lot as well. Its hard running the ball vs a stacked box. Being able to beat teams with the passing game will get guys out of the box and open up running lanes.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:15 pm to mytigger
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Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes. The same offense that could barely muster a touchdown in an entire quarter all the sudden became a running powerhouse. Why?
We in fact did change the offense when he came in that first series. Upped the tempo of the plays and ran a lot out of the pistol formation thus spreading out the defense.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:15 pm to fbb
Yes, hitch for a first down, 5 yards to Dural, I think.
Corner reacted on it, and looked like he had jumped the route, but Harris' velocity on the ball beat him.
Corner reacted on it, and looked like he had jumped the route, but Harris' velocity on the ball beat him.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:18 pm to wahoocs
I stand corrected, one 5 yard pass. It does not diminish how the running game opened up when Harris entered the game, but moreso how many Fat Tire's I had prior to kick off.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:23 pm to mytigger
running out of the spread last night was much more effective than i formation. I look foward to the harris/fourneete read option. it is going to be DEADLY
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:25 pm to mytigger
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We in fact did change the offense when he came in that first series. Upped the tempo of the plays and ran a lot out of the pistol formation thus spreading out the defense.
This is the correct response.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:29 pm to mytigger
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Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes. The same offense that could barely muster a touchdown in an entire quarter all the sudden became a running powerhouse. Why? The answer is simple, the THREAT of the pass.
I think there is more to it than that. I think consciously or subconsciously, the tea (especially the o-line) made a choice as to who they think should play.
Not saying they were intentionally sabotaging AJ, but there was a noticeable difference in blocking, running, intensity and effort once BH entered the game. And it wasn't because NM State stopped putting 9 guys in the box.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:30 pm to mytigger
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The same offense that could barely muster a touchdown in an entire quarter all the sudden became a running powerhouse. Why? The answer is simple, the THREAT of the pass.
They called a different offensive game when Harris came in. I think Harris is the more talented quarterback, but I also wonder how Jennings' performance might change if they called a similar style of offense with him in the game. I really think we need both of these guys to have confidences in themselves throughout this season and coming years. It just seems like the play calling hasn't been what was needed for Jennings to succeed. Granted, he was throwing some bad balls last night, and skipped a few to open receivers here lately.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:31 pm to KG5989
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The rushing / passing aspect is a symbiont relationship
no sex
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:31 pm to Burt Reynolds
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running out of the spread last night was much more effective than i formation
I still don't understand why Miles didn't attempt this with AJ last week vs State
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:31 pm to mytigger
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Wether you noticed it or not, Harris' first series as a QB last night featured exactly zero passes.
wrong.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:41 pm to memphis tiger
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I still don't understand why Miles didn't attempt with with AJ last week
Because hes still not a passing threat.
Spread it out with Jennings or not, it didnt matter. They would just man up the WRs and then put everyone in the box or blitz them. You spread it out, its just 5 OL and the D would still have at least 1 guy roaming free.
You have to actually have a passing attack and a QB that can beat you with his ability to throw the ball to force the D to back out the box. When the D doesnt respect your passing ability, they still can sell out to stop the run regardless what formation you run out of.
This post was edited on 9/28/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:46 pm to mytigger
I don't care who plays QB...if Miles is going to run a stale offense, it's not going to help us.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:49 pm to KG5989
Bingo. Harris definitely stretches out the d. Jennings simply lacks the arm strength to force the defenses to respect a down field passing attack.
Posted on 9/28/14 at 3:52 pm to mytigger
The best thing that happened when Harris came in was that he beat the blitz. The D had a man coming free, but Harris stood his ground, delivered a strike, and took the hit. We're going to see a lot of blitzes in the coming weeks with an inexperienced QB. He needs to make them pay early, otherwise he's going to take too many hits.
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