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The best way to change the SEC referee issues...

Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:11 am
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3056 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:11 am
Is to move the SEC Headquarters from the state of Alabama. And we all know that will never happen.

It boils down to keeping the Alabama teams in contention. LSU played Georgia last season although Alabama should have based on the regular rotation. When one of the two teams is out of contention, they cease to receive favorable calls.

The University of Texas ran the Southwest Conference for many years, which led to the eventual breakup. The other schools grew tired of being taken advantage of by Texas.

As long as the SEC is recognized as the best conference in college football, schools will remain for their share of the revenues. And the song remains the same...
Posted by Mattgobear
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2007
3048 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:15 am to
Could always throw the ball at the ref. Hey it worked in Longest Yard haha.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:16 am to
The SEC has truly become a joke. It started with the rematch in 2012 and really has continued on to the point where no fan of a school outside the state of Alabama should root for any SEC teams in non-conference games. I am hoping Alabama gets destroyed in the playoff. Perhaps then the refs will quit conspiring to send them up to get humiliated.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:29 am to
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The best way to change the SEC referee issues...
Is to move the SEC Headquarters from the state of Alabama. And we all know that will never happen.


No...this is not the way.

The best way to ensure fairness (I use that term even though it's become to sound whiny though in this case it simply means ensuring a level playing field for all programs involved) is to get the conferences themselves OUT of handling scheduling and officiating and turn it over to the NCAA.

By allowing the conference to run this stuff almost guarantees home cooking for one program or another. That's not a shot at Alabama or Auburn. But can we be honest enough to admit that ANY program that could have the #3 guy at the conference (Mark Womack in this case) and the head of officials (Steve Shaw in this case) be alumni of that university plus a huge percentage of the varying support staff that are needed at every level of the conference office be affiliated due to location with a school or schools (in this case BAMA and AU) would wield a potential undue amount of influence at the conference level?

This isn't even about BAMA or AU specifically. If the offices were in Orlando, and the #3 and the Head of Officials were UF alumni and the support staf was largely made up of UF fans that the SEC would lean towards Gainseville. If the offices were in Atlanta, and those guys were alumni of UGA, I'd expect there to be a UGA lean...though there would be significantly less homerism in the support eara due to the much more centrally located make-up of Atlanta.

How would the rest of the SEC feel about having the #3 guy and the head of officiating be LSU alumni and the office be located in New Orleans? Would BAMA fans feel as though their concerns were being met fairly if the schedule always seemed to look wonky in favor of LSU and to the detriment of BAMA and when there was an officiating issue when playing LSU they needed to take them to LSU alumni and living in NOLA? Give me a fricking break.

So long as conferences do this themselves and feel no obligation to rid themselves of bias, we will never rid ourselves of this issue...regardless of where the offices move.
Posted by roygu
Member since Jan 2004
11718 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:30 am to
The best way to change the referee perspective is to switch teams. You will quickly discover that no matter which team you root for the refs will always screw that team.
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3056 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:30 am to
It actually goes back to the Bear Bryant days. Refs were intimidated by "The Bear".
Posted by runningTiger
Member since Apr 2014
3029 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:31 am to
Well said

Time to demand accountability from The corrupt SEC
Posted by Cameron Cooke
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
1149 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:37 am to
Not the case, I promise you. I umpire baseball and ref soccer. In some cases the refs screw games unintentionally, and we genuinely feel bad. BUT the lopsidedness has gotten incredible for the Bama teams. It's been that way as long as I have been old enough to watch football intelligently.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127371 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:37 am to
Bring in NFL referees.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18131 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:41 am to
it's so childish to blame referees. There was a bad personal foul called against Bama on the two yard line in overtime that backed them up, but I don't hear Tiger fans complaining about that one.

Sure there are calls that we think are bad, but every team in the SEC can say the same thing every week.

There's no conspiracy here.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:41 am to
quote:

The best way to change the referee perspective is to switch teams. You will quickly discover that no matter which team you root for the refs will always screw that team.



No doubt and I am cognizant of the fact that fans of teams that have lost are always sensitive to "bad calls." You'll have to take my word for the fact that I'm not one of those guys. I don;t holler at officials that throw a lag on my team when it's obvious they were correct. I'm not complaining because of the loss. I was making this exact case last week prior to the game. The only thing the loss did, and specifically some of he calls which had an undue influence in my opinion on the outcome of the game, was make it a bit more pressing to continue to discuss this and use this most recent example as being part of a problem with the conference.

That being said, when is it ok to call a spade a spade? If if it is a spade, to whom in the SEC offices can you bring that revelation at this point?

That's really my point. How can even a charter member of the conference feel their concerns are being met when they have to address them to alumni of the program about whom the concerns revolve?

Pointing out that, at best, there is a conflict of interest in having two of the most influential positions within the SEC held by BAMA alumni, does not make one whiny. It makes one informed.

Does that conflict of interest result in home cooking for the Tide? That's a matter for debate, though I'd say a pretty strong case can and should be made. but so long as there is this very open conflict of interest we, as other members of the conference, will ALWAYS have a reason to wonder if we're getting screwed.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:44 am to
quote:

it's so childish to blame referees. There was a bad personal foul called against Bama on the two yard line in overtime that backed them up, but I don't hear Tiger fans complaining about that one.
because overtime should have never happened. Alabama got free football because of the dirt Personal foul after the fumble. Judgement call right?
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:44 am to
the SEC HQ should be in the capital of the southeast; Atlanta, Georgia.

and, imo, ref's should not have college affiliations. ie, no bama grads, no LSU grads, etc.
Posted by LesTiger
Hammond
Member since Apr 2007
553 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:44 am to
The SEC has to know the backgrounds of all of their refs and be smart enough to not allow refs to work games for the universities that they previously attended or reside by. As far as the scheduling goes an outside committee should be allowed to pull the scheduling together without any bias. Until that happens there will always be favoritism.
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:47 am to
The Bear DID NOT intimidate the officials.

However, the Bear did hire the head of SEC Officials yearly to provide a lecture on campus to the Alabama team and coaching staff regarding the Rules of football. In addition, bama would hire SEC officials to officiate the spring football practice.

Just saying...
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:48 am to
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There's no conspiracy here.


At no point have I suggested anything like that.

But I'll ask you directly...does it not concern you that the #3 man at the SEC and the head of officials are both alumni of the same member of the conference?

Should that apparent conflict of interest not be a concern for all other members...or are we simply to look the other way and assume, since they are professionals, their own personal bias towards their alma mater does not effect them in the way all the rest of us feels towards our own?

There are VERY few things, especially in the South, that bring out such passion as college football. Why simply assume that these men are beyond such base feelings?

Look...maybe they ARE the exception and conduct themselves without ANY bias coming through at all. Why even tempt fate this way? Why not make sure that, at the very least, no conference member can have anyone is a position of authority over the rest of the conference?
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
47791 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:49 am to
When you see Saban yell at the ref's and 2 flags get picked up. I'd say someone should look into that.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:50 am to
Excellent post

It's called redundancy.
Plain and simple. The machine that is Alabama football has a system put in place just like a computer setup in Raid configuration where no matter what is accused,no matter who is caught doing something,the machine is setup with such a failsafe that it is infallible at this point.

There is nobody to go to with the complaints. Nobody.
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:50 am to
Since when is a low block in the back after the whistle a bad call?

the purpose of most penalties are to prevent one team from gaining an unfair advantage and/or to promote player safety by minimizing unnecessary injuries.
Posted by TG
Metairie
Member since Sep 2004
3056 posts
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:50 am to
I agree with your entire response.
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