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The BCS
Posted on 7/8/09 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 7/8/09 at 2:41 pm
I agree that it probably needs tweeking somewhat. However I think UTAH Senator Orrin Hatch needs to keep his arse out of it. We DO NOT need the government running something else. I personally am sick and tired of the government feeling the necessity to stick their nose in every aspect of our lives.
LINK TO THE HEARING
Quotes from today's hearings
God help us. Before long we will be watching Idaho State vs Buffalo for the D1 championship.
LINK TO THE HEARING
Quotes from today's hearings
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the BCS continues to place nearly half of all the schools in college football at a competitive and, perhaps more importantly, a financial disadvantage. These disadvantages are not the result of fair competition, but of the inherent structural inequities of the BCS system. For these reasons, I believe today’s hearing is necessary.
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Our focus should therefore be on comparing the current system with the standards required by our nation’s antitrust laws. Personally, I believe there are enough antitrust problems with the current BCS system that we’ll have more than enough material to cover in the course of this hearing.
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Worse still, under the current BCS regime, each of the six privileged conferences is guaranteed to receive a large share of the BCS revenue to distribute among their member schools. The remaining five conferences, which include nearly half of all the teams in Division I, all share a much smaller portion of the BCS revenue, even if one of their teams is fortunate enough to play their way into a BCS game. Over the lifetime of the BCS, the preferred conferences have received nearly 90 percent of the total revenues.
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Take last year for example. In 2008, two teams, Utah and Boise State, met the qualifications for an automatic BCS berth, but, under the rules, only one of them, Utah, was invited to play in a BCS game. Furthermore, four teams, Utah, Boise State, Texas Christian, and Brigham Young, finished the season ranked higher in the BCS’s own standings than at least one of the teams that received an automatic bid.
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It is my understanding that, even as Congress has focused its attention on the system, the BCS appears to be attempting to strong-arm those in a weaker bargaining position into signing a new agreement by July 9, many months before the current contract expires. Given the widespread public criticism of the current system and its obvious flaws with regard to competition, I had hoped that, going forward, we’d see a greater willingness to adapt on the part of the BCS. However, that does not appear to be the case.
God help us. Before long we will be watching Idaho State vs Buffalo for the D1 championship.
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 4:54 pm
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Posted on 7/8/09 at 2:48 pm to Run DMC
Everything he's stating is true. It does places other Div 1 schools at a disadvantage b/c smaller schools have absolutely no shot at a championship in Div 1 football. However, the gov't should stay out of it though.
The reason why the gov't is sticking their hands in it is b/c of money. The smaller schools are complaining b/c they are not given the same opportunity to win championships and to earn the big money as larger schools are given.
I understand his reasoning, but the gov't have bigger battles on their hands right now to deal with.
The reason why the gov't is sticking their hands in it is b/c of money. The smaller schools are complaining b/c they are not given the same opportunity to win championships and to earn the big money as larger schools are given.
I understand his reasoning, but the gov't have bigger battles on their hands right now to deal with.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:00 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
They should play better competition. Teams like Boise St. and Utah should make a push to get into the PAC 10. Furthermore, ND should be forced to enter the Big 10(11).
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:03 pm to Run DMC
Yep, and that's exactly why it shouldn't be tweaked the way they suggest.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:05 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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They should play better competition. Teams like Boise St. and Utah should make a push to get into the PAC 10. Furthermore, ND should be forced to enter the Big 10
All of the smaller schools can't push to be in the larger conferences. That's just ridiculous. And tell me which teams out of USC, who always chooses tough OOC games b/c of a weak PAC10, will even think about playing a tough mid-major that could upset them and kill their BCS and championship dreams?
The system is definately unfair.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:06 pm to Run DMC
Their is one sure way for the major powers of college football to stop the bitching from these schools. These botton feeders suck on the teets of the big schools by getting big pay days for playing road games (aka rent a wins). Its easy to kill these schools, quit playing them. I know it would require the big schools to join together and agree for everyone not to schedule them, but thats how you do it. Have the major conferences agree to only play each other out of conference.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:10 pm to Run DMC
I think the government getting involved is obviously a bad idea. The BCS is not perfect, but it is better than the old system where the top teams may have not even matched up with one another in the bowls. They may have a better chance with the BCS than they would have playing in the Humnaitarian Bowl as in the old system. Although, BYU did it in the 80's.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:10 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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The system is definately unfair.
life isn't fair
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:11 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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The reason why the gov't is sticking their hands in it is b/c of money. The smaller schools are complaining b/c they are not given the same opportunity to win championships and to earn the big money as larger schools are given.
So where were the complaints before the BCS was formed. How come the major bowls (sugar, orange rose, fiesta) were never forced to invite these Mid-major teams in the past. The bowls have always had tie-ins and the bigger bowls were tied into the better conferences. Is congress going to force the Rose Bowl to be more inclusive and not let them invite the Pac-10 and Big-10 Champ. This whole thing is stupid. All conferences are not equal. Not every conference deserves an automatic BCS bid. Utah was not denied a shot at the title. They simply did not finish 1 or 2 in the final BCS poll. How many ranked teams did they play prior to the bowl game compared to the other teams that played in the BCS. I'd be willing to be they played fewer ranked teams than most of the others.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:16 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:If any team in the country played and beat the schedule that Florida or Nebraska or Georgia played last year, that team would have been in the National Championship Game. Period. Utah did not make it because they did not deserve it. Their 13 game schedule did not measure up to the 13 game schedule of Florida and Oklahoma. And responses that cite any sample less than the entire schedules of the three teams involved is a blatant admission that this is true.
Everything he's stating is true. It does places other Div 1 schools at a disadvantage b/c smaller schools have absolutely no shot at a championship in Div 1 football.
Utah, Boise State, etc., all want to take credit for facing similar schedules because they beat OU, or Bama, or UCLA. The fact is that until they beat a schedule that is 2/3 to 3/4 teams like that, and only 1/3 to 1/4 teams like Utah State, New Mexico, Louisiana Tech, San Jose State and Idaho, they are laying claim to credit they simply do not deserve. Winning one or two games against top level competition does not make for a championship-worthy season (at least not since the polls were dethroned as the mindless arbiters of such things -- cf., 1984). There is a difference between the level of competition in those conferences and the level of competition in conferences like the SEC and the Big XII. And anyone who insists that the same system that shut out undefeated SEC Champion Auburn has its unfairness targeted at "the little guys" is simply not making a rational argument.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:19 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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The smaller schools are complaining b/c they are not given the same opportunity to win championships and to earn the big money as larger schools are given.
Anyone have an answer to how small these schools actually are? I mean its not like these schools are hurting for money. BTW, if these schools want to be with the big boys in january, then they should hang with them all year long and they should be forced to join a larger conference. There schedules have to be tougher to have a legitimate reason to complain.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:26 pm to XbengalTiger
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How many ranked teams did they play prior to the bowl game compared to the other teams that played in the BCS. I'd be willing to be they played fewer ranked teams than most of the others.
Who's willing to play these guys outside of USC possibly. LSU...not. OU....not. Ohio St...not. UF....not. Tell me why haven't these powerhouses willing to play schools like Boise St and Utah. I bet it has nothing to do with Boise or Utah's attempts at attempting to schedule big name schools. The reason is b/c they are good and have the ability to beat some of the powerhouse programs.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:40 pm to Run DMC
Typical how government thinks. You have the have & the have-nots. So the government steps in and gives to the have-not taking it from the haves.
Maybe these teams need to look at playing the big boys. LSU is always looking for someone to play in a only home situation.
Maybe these teams need to look at playing the big boys. LSU is always looking for someone to play in a only home situation.
This post was edited on 7/8/09 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:53 pm to rv480
my solution, the big conferences get together and only play each other out of conference. make it by random draw in the off-season to see who plays who the next season. SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac-10, ACC, Big East. Also allow for a one-time addition of another conference comprised of teams that break off from other conferences. Utah wants to bitch, they can join this conference, but no more cupcakes. They would have to play the big boys every week. Put together this super division of college football, then tell the rest of the NCAA schools and the federal government to go get fricked.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 3:59 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Wont ever happen,ND not about to share all there money with no one.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 4:03 pm to Run DMC
Qualifications Based Playoff is the most flawless proposed method to date, IMO. Especially xiv's proposed model and the variants that can extend from it.
The BCS's current system sucks. It needs more than just a small tweak; it needs an overhaul.
The BCS's current system sucks. It needs more than just a small tweak; it needs an overhaul.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 4:04 pm to Run DMC
Even being from a BCS conference that has produced f national champions in the first 11 years of its existence, it is still completely fricked up and I think does most definitely violate antri-trust laws. Hopefully this is the final impetus for a playoff system. There finally are cracks in the unity of the Presidents.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 4:20 pm to Chill Pill
Do these people not realize that even with an 8 team playoff, smaller schools are still at a disadvantage. They would have to go undefeated just to be considered.
Plus, people will still bitch at the 8 team playoff because there are bound to be 5 or 6 teams with identical records vying for the last spots.
Plus, people will still bitch at the 8 team playoff because there are bound to be 5 or 6 teams with identical records vying for the last spots.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 4:20 pm to Chill Pill
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Hopefully this is the final impetus for a playoff system.
I don't think you can ever have a "true" playoff system as long as the bowls are still involved. The biggest obstacle (besides all the money) is the Rose Bowl and the Big 10, who still believe that they are both more important than any playoff system.
Posted on 7/8/09 at 4:24 pm to Tmon225
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Plus, people will still bitch at the 8 team playoff because there are bound to be 5 or 6 teams with identical records vying for the last spots.
Exactly! and how are these spots filled? POLLS, which is what everyone is complaining about in the first place.
The polls would be become even more political and, with all the money involved, it would become even more questioned.
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