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re: Stevie tag at 2nd...
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:31 am to ag3ntpurpl3
Posted on 5/21/15 at 8:31 am to ag3ntpurpl3
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They explained on the replay that since Chinea went and tagged the base after the runner had jumped over it, the runner had no choice but to go to second base or he would be out. Basically, he had to turn his hit into a double forcefully
He's initially safe because he "passed first". Chinea needed to appeal, then he would've been out.
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Posted on 5/21/15 at 9:50 am to Indigold
But Chinea picked up the ball with his foot on the bag before the runner passed 1st. Should have been out right there.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:00 am to Indigold
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He's initially safe because he "passed first". Chinea needed to appeal, then he would've been out.
The fact is that this was not open to appeal. If it were open to appeal, the umpire would have given no sign. However, the umpire called the runner "safe". That is what made him "safe", and not because "he passed first." Clearly, the umpire blew the call, since you must touch the base and not just pass over it.
In an appeal case, there would have been no "safe" sign given by the umpire. Therefore, unless the runner made a try for second (which could be one step toward that base), he could not be forced or tagged coming back to first.
Why he went to second is unclear and known only to the runner and, maybe, the first base coach. He would have been safe going back to first. The umpire had made his call. The booth announcers may speculate, but they are not always correct.
This post was edited on 5/21/15 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:13 am to dss
quote:As odd as this may seem to some it is correct. Think of a runner missing another base. For example a runner on first, batter gets a single to right field. Runner from first misses second base on the way to third. The umpire doesn't call the runner out for missing second base unless the defensive team appeals. The same principle applies to first.
As odd as it seems , once a runner passes a bag @ 1rst he is presumed to have touched the bag
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:15 am to Earn Your Keep
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I hope we can get a video clip. Between this call and the antics of the home plate ump, it was truly embarrassing (but not unusual) for SEC officiating.
I like the home plate umps personality/presentation but he had issues with the zone more than normal IMO.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:17 am to PlanoPrivateer
quote:but the ump also doesn't give the safe signal
The umpire doesn't call the runner out for missing second base unless the defensive team appeals. The same principle applies to first.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:19 am to dagrippa
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I like the home plate umps personality/presentation but he had issues with the zone more than normal IMO.
He didn't seem to be giving the pitcher (particularly Poche) the lower part of the zone. And that could have been part of Poche's problem. His early curve balls were down but he wasn't getting the strike call. So he started trying to elevate them a little and overdid it.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 10:36 am to PlanoPrivateer
In your example there is no play happening when the runner misses second so there is no need for an out or safe call. IMO (which isn't worth much) if the 1b umpire thought Chinea was pulled off the bag and missed the tag then no call should have been made until he is either tagged or Chinea touches first or he steps back on the bag without being put out
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:08 am to Drakeo1990
By calling him "safe", the umpire made the runner "safe". It was then no longer an appeal play. If it was to be an appeal play, no sign, "safe" or "out", would have been given. Therefore, nothing Chinea does after that matters, unless the runner tries for second. Then, he can throw him out, which he did.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 11:15 am to MidCityTiger
Correct the ump completely missed the runner pole vaulting over first base my point was the umpire doesn't call him safe because hes assumed to have touched the bag until an appeal the ump calls him safe so he is safe.
Posted on 5/21/15 at 12:22 pm to Drakeo1990
I was just saying that there could be no appeal at all because the runner had been called "safe" instead of a non-call, which usually signals an appeal possibility. If the runner had not gone to second, he could have returned to first base without liability of being called out (by force or tag or any other way).
The only way, then, that the runner could have been out at first is if the umpire had overturned his original "call", which he would not likely ever do on his own. What he saw was what he saw - right or wrong - and he would have to stick with that. The only way the call would likely be overturned is if the umpire asked the other umps what they had seen. Otherwise, they would not have interfered.
The only way, then, that the runner could have been out at first is if the umpire had overturned his original "call", which he would not likely ever do on his own. What he saw was what he saw - right or wrong - and he would have to stick with that. The only way the call would likely be overturned is if the umpire asked the other umps what they had seen. Otherwise, they would not have interfered.
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