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re: Spread or Pro - what would you rather see LSU run?
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:04 pm to KyrieElaison
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:04 pm to KyrieElaison
Pro style with a competent qb.
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:09 pm to ready4something
Power spread
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:15 pm to omegaman66
Lindsay Scott.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:43 pm to omegaman66
Spread Read Option or The Jimbo Multiple
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:48 pm to Fus0623
quote:
This. Done with looking at the I Form.
There is nothing wrong with putting in your best blocker to run the ball. Its only a problem when you dont have the qb that can deliver the ball and be a full field progression qb. I dont mind iformation if we also go 4-5 wide at times.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 3:53 pm to omegaman66
I would like to see LSU be able to run a wide open passing offense but still be able to run power I. We don't need to run a spread type offense like auburn but do need better pass blocking tackles to be able to spread the field out and sling the ball around we we have to. This should be the route LSU goes. A Pro style QB that can move around in the pocket and can take off and get 5 yards when needed. That's what LSU needs, we don't need to go to a spread type offense.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:12 pm to omegaman66
Something that doesn't suck. Whatever is best for our personnel. I want a coach who can tailor his offense to what he has to work with.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:23 pm to omegaman66
SPREAD
The spread offsets a team like BAMA.
Even Nick adapted to the spread or hybrid spread.
The spread offsets a team like BAMA.
Even Nick adapted to the spread or hybrid spread.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:34 pm to omegaman66
I don't care as long as we win. Both styles are capable of winning titles.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 4:35 pm to omegaman66
Run heavy spread
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:12 pm to omegaman66
Easy answer is both. I think that would actually be legit considering LSU having the personnel to do both.
But to answer your question:
Pro-Style, with the caveat that tactics such as motions be used.
Why I chose that is because of the best use of personnel would be Pro Style. Instead of a 3rd or 4th WR, LSU has TEs that could easily be used like an AU H-back (Foster Moreau for example). In short, it is somewhat easier (if you have the talent) to literally convert a Pro Style formation to a Spread formation with motion if one chooses to; it's not so easy to go the other way.
I also like the fact that because of the talent and personnel I think the HUNH could be employed at times with the Pro Style more effectively because it fits more situations. For example, if you're using personnel groupings for a Pro Style attack and enter the red zone you have the people on the field to go to HUNH and still run some sort of short-yardage plays. You just turn your H-Back into a a TE or your 3rd WR lines up in bunch formation or as a RB.
But to answer your question:
Pro-Style, with the caveat that tactics such as motions be used.
Why I chose that is because of the best use of personnel would be Pro Style. Instead of a 3rd or 4th WR, LSU has TEs that could easily be used like an AU H-back (Foster Moreau for example). In short, it is somewhat easier (if you have the talent) to literally convert a Pro Style formation to a Spread formation with motion if one chooses to; it's not so easy to go the other way.
I also like the fact that because of the talent and personnel I think the HUNH could be employed at times with the Pro Style more effectively because it fits more situations. For example, if you're using personnel groupings for a Pro Style attack and enter the red zone you have the people on the field to go to HUNH and still run some sort of short-yardage plays. You just turn your H-Back into a a TE or your 3rd WR lines up in bunch formation or as a RB.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:14 pm to I20goon
Pro is more interesting because of the QB fakes,etc...but it does seem that the spread is more effective vs. the opposition we all hate...
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:21 pm to omegaman66
pro-spread hybrid
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:38 pm to damnstrongfan
It's worth noting that if you're being creative the lines between pro-style and spread become blurred.
You can spread the field pre-snap with formation (traditional spread), pre-snap with motion (AU style spread, or power spread), or post-snap (any and all, including pro).
3 examples:
Ole Miss certainly runs the spread. But I've seen them line WRs up closer in than pro style, certainly than with traditional spread formations. But as soon as the ball is snapped those close in wideouts run a route that takes them closer to the sideline, usually clearing a zone for a TE or motion man short.
If you notice Bama when they get into the bunch formation, shotgun if motion, under center if not, those WRs usually go wide immediately except for one who will go short-middle or stay behind LoS (for screen or RPO). So line up in decidedly un-spread formation and then stretch the field laterally to one side as much as possible, close to the LoS, which is definitely a spread principle.
In this years TAMU game when Kirk scored on his long TD catch they were lined up in a for sure spread formation with shotgun (if I'm remembering correctly). But Kirk was lined up basically as a H-Back or Flanker. He went in motion to the opposite side Split out position when the ball was snapped, and continued laterally and turned up field in a wheel route allowing him free release from the LoS and momentum to gain a step(s) vs a laterally moving DB (because of the motion pre & post snap).
So in these examples it doesn't necessarily matter where the WRs line up or even how many to employ spread principles. It does matter where the QB lines up (shotgun or not) when using motion.
In the end, I hate it when people say Spread = Passing or Spread = HUNH.
Oregon under Chip Kelly was very very run heavy, but with HUNH. AU used to be run heavy spread with HUNH, but didn't necessarily spread the field pre-snap but with motion and shotgun it was considered spread. Many times they didn't even spread the field, it was all just distraction from the shotgun with motions and H-backs so wasn't even Spread in my book. More blurred lines.
You can spread the field pre-snap with formation (traditional spread), pre-snap with motion (AU style spread, or power spread), or post-snap (any and all, including pro).
3 examples:
Ole Miss certainly runs the spread. But I've seen them line WRs up closer in than pro style, certainly than with traditional spread formations. But as soon as the ball is snapped those close in wideouts run a route that takes them closer to the sideline, usually clearing a zone for a TE or motion man short.
If you notice Bama when they get into the bunch formation, shotgun if motion, under center if not, those WRs usually go wide immediately except for one who will go short-middle or stay behind LoS (for screen or RPO). So line up in decidedly un-spread formation and then stretch the field laterally to one side as much as possible, close to the LoS, which is definitely a spread principle.
In this years TAMU game when Kirk scored on his long TD catch they were lined up in a for sure spread formation with shotgun (if I'm remembering correctly). But Kirk was lined up basically as a H-Back or Flanker. He went in motion to the opposite side Split out position when the ball was snapped, and continued laterally and turned up field in a wheel route allowing him free release from the LoS and momentum to gain a step(s) vs a laterally moving DB (because of the motion pre & post snap).
So in these examples it doesn't necessarily matter where the WRs line up or even how many to employ spread principles. It does matter where the QB lines up (shotgun or not) when using motion.
In the end, I hate it when people say Spread = Passing or Spread = HUNH.
Oregon under Chip Kelly was very very run heavy, but with HUNH. AU used to be run heavy spread with HUNH, but didn't necessarily spread the field pre-snap but with motion and shotgun it was considered spread. Many times they didn't even spread the field, it was all just distraction from the shotgun with motions and H-backs so wasn't even Spread in my book. More blurred lines.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:39 pm to damnstrongfan
Pro. Players want to get to the NFL. The spread is like the wishbone 35 years ago. How many wishbone QBs made it in the NFL?
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:39 pm to omegaman66
I don't think it takes as much OL talent to run spread schemes effectively. LA has so much WR talent it would be nice to see it utilized more. And if we're going to compete for championships we have to plan on beating Bama. Spread schemes tend to offset the DL/LB advantages they have.
FTR, Crowton ran multiple in '07 and '08 and it was very effective.
FTR, Crowton ran multiple in '07 and '08 and it was very effective.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 5:47 pm to omegaman66
Multiple.
70% of the traditional LSU playbook with enough spread concepts to be able to win games against teams that can beat us at the LoS.
70% of the traditional LSU playbook with enough spread concepts to be able to win games against teams that can beat us at the LoS.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:39 pm to omegaman66
I want them to get the best QB in there and adapt what's best for him.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:41 pm to omegaman66
A Sproad
Posted on 12/4/16 at 6:44 pm to dbbuilder79
I just want to see what LSU would look like in the Veer and Shoot
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