re: So surprised so many have given up on O...

The team got crushed by Miss St and seemed lost. So did the HC. I didn't see much fire from O or most of the team. That is most disappointing.

Here's the thing I am afraid is happening:

the players don't respect Orgeron. I doubt he has much input in Aranda's defense, and based on the "I don't know why Guice sat" answer (and the fact that he wasn't around the huddle prior to the last play in the Florida game last year) I don't think he's involved at all with the offense.

He just seems to be "there", hanging out, cheerleading, but clueless. Rah rah rah yaw yaw yaw.

I get the sense that the players don't take him seriously, don't think he's in charge of anything, and don't see him as accountable for anything. I don't think they fear him as such, and that carries over to the preparation and focus they put forth.

That's something that can happen when you elevate a "player's coach" internally, especially if he had no prior authority over them.

Saban ran things like a drill sergeant, Miles was the head man when he came, both had respect. Miles came in and brought them through the trauma of the hurricanes that devastated the area.

Orgeron is goofy Uncle O to these guys, and though they finished last year for him, that was also personal redemption for letting Miles down and getting him fired for losing to Wisky and Auburn.
I think there might be a lax and lazy atmosphere (which would explain all the sloppy play and penalties), and if he tries to ratchet up the discipline after at first being "their buddy" (easier practices, etc), he might lose the team even more.

I hope I'm wrong, because if that's the case, this season could go REALLY bad. People talk about 8-4 ... we could be looking at missing a bowl entirely.

Eat a dick sandwich

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O-line depth is thin, but there are returning starters from a supposed good line last year, and the O line coach remains the same.

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That's the #1 problem of the entire football program.

Those that aren't completely clueless understand this.

LSU would have never, ever hired a HC with a record of 10-25 (only 2 of those wins came against teams with a winning records both 7-5) and of the 25 losses 15 were double digits.

If O's name was John Smith and he was born in Des Moines, Iowa he would not have sniffed this job.

So for many you must begin with the premise he was a bad hire.

We are talking about a coach who has no track record of success beating good teams. (Only 2 wins against better than .500 teams as a HC)

And his losses 15 of the 25 were double digit blowouts.

Additionally his SEC record was 3-21.

Despite that he is our coach. And in his first conference game as our coach??--an historic loss to Moo State. He is not exactly building trust with fans.

Is it possible 3-21 isn't really 3-21 and 10-25 isn't really 10-25 and .300 winning % coach is really a good coach? Maybe. But honestly would you bet your life on it?

Isn't more likely that O is what he is? A great guy, a stellar DL coach a great recruiter but just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful HC?

I posted this in another thread but it needs to be here..

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O's abysmal failure at Ole miss + The fact that hes accomplished nothing since then + losing by 30 to a team we are 23-2 against in 25 years = holy shite we're screwed

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You have a bunch of kids on here that know it all

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Typical kedwards1/ozone1/dawgfan response.

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Typical kedwards1/ozone1/dawgfan response.

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Is dawgfan128 Kristy? The posts are awful similar.

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you do the math lol

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I already have. I think it is.

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LSU is very young

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Very young, next year, fire aleva, Etling gonna light it up just wait, Canada will change the offense, one team-one heartbeat,...........How bout we just straight up aren't very good at football again! And again-we don't have a competent QB