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So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.
Posted by UnAnon on 2/14/16 at 5:05 pm1127
Coincidence? I think not.
Also keep in mind Cam still hasn't put ink to paper. Maybe one more boom in the coming weeks?
Also keep in mind Cam still hasn't put ink to paper. Maybe one more boom in the coming weeks?
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by The Real Keyser Soze on 2/14/16 at 5:43 pm to josh336
I agree, Seemed like alleva was doing his job until f king Alexander got involved.
Without Alleva you'd still have Chavis and Brick and Cam has a three year extension and a raise.
Fact.
Les was comfy and standing pat. Raises for everyone. If Chavis gets the new contract no O, no Aranda, and more of the same.
Fact.
Les was comfy and standing pat. Raises for everyone. If Chavis gets the new contract no O, no Aranda, and more of the same.
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How was he holding him back? Miles hired Aranda under Alleva's watch and hired Steele the year before under Allevas watch?
The Chavis contract and the subsequent hiring of Steele was indicative of the administration putting serious restrictions on Miles ability to run the program. After the botched coaching change, they really had no choice but to re-commit to Miles. I don't think it "exposed" anything, but it was a serious error in judgement with respect to how they tried to go about the change.
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by TheDrunkenTigah on 2/14/16 at 5:48 pm to josh336
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Yeah, but Alleva is gonna get all the blame because he's the rant's whipping boy and it gives Les another free pass
He gets the blame because it couldn't be more obvious that he was at least the facilitator of hamstringing Miles. Did you not keep up with the Alleva hiring at all? Several different sources reported that Aranda was highly interested before Steele was hired but that LSU presented him with a very weak offer with the Miles Clause. Steele was literally the only decent candidate that would take a shitty deal. A year later and Aranda jumps at 3 years guaranteed. He didn't just have a change of heart. Whether Alleva was acting as an agent of larger forces who wanted Miles on a leash or not is a matter of debate, what's not is that he was the one carrying out those actions.
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re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by matt314 on 2/14/16 at 5:54 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Whether Alleva was acting as an agent of larger forces who wanted Miles on a leash or not is a matter of debate, what's not is that he was the one carrying out those actions.
Chavis already had Miles on a leash. Les was never going to remove him though he wasn't recruiting or working very hard for three years. How the hell does Aranda become an issue if Chavis is still here. And Brick was going to be here as long as Chavis was. Les was holding himself back because of his fear of change. Change was forced on him and he has reacted to it very well.
Correction: Fear is the wrong word. I don't think Les fears change. He is just very resistant to it if he feels things are going well enough.
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re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by TheDrunkenTigah on 2/14/16 at 6:09 pm to matt314
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Chavis already had Miles on a leash. Les was never going to remove him though he wasn't recruiting or working very hard for three years. How the hell does Aranda become an issue if Chavis is still here. And Brick was going to be here as long as Chavis was. Les was holding himself back because of his fear of change. Change was forced on him and he has reacted to it very well.
The majority of that is a perfectly legitimate argument but to go down this road you have to admit that Alleva or someone giving him orders hamstringed Miles on Chavis's contract. There is no way around that. The bolded part is complete speculation. Chavis and Brick didn't coach RBs or WRs, and Miles didn't suddenly decide to structure contracts that were more appealing. That hypothetical works both ways, who's to say Les's hires wouldn't have looked like this all along if he were able to offer better contracts? Aranda is a perfect example as I just pointed out. Les wasn't scared straight last year when Aranda was told he was the number one choice. You guys simply can't spin that one. He both refused and accepted LSU in the span of a year, before this "fire" was lit under Les, and the only change was the contract Miles was allowed to offer him
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by matt314 on 2/14/16 at 6:24 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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The majority of that is a perfectly legitimate argument but to go down this road you have to admit that Alleva or someone giving him orders hamstringed Miles on Chavis's contract. There is no way around that. The bolded part is complete speculation. Chavis and Brick didn't coach RBs or WRs, and Miles didn't suddenly decide to structure contracts that were more appealing. That hypothetical works both ways, who's to say Les's hires wouldn't have looked like this all along if he were able to offer better contracts? Aranda is a perfect example as I just pointed out. Les wasn't scared straight last year when Aranda was told he was the number one choice. You guys simply can't spin that one. He both refused and accepted LSU in the span of a year, before this "fire" was lit under Les, and the only change was the contract Miles was allowed to offer him
I corrected the "fear" reference already since I didn't intend to express that. But there is no way any of the initial changes take place if Chavis signs the contract that was on his desk for weeks. That was up to Chavis. Les had nothing to do with that decision and it was the linchpin of everything that happened afterwards. If Chavis stays the coaching changes would have been mostly insignificant since openings would not have been available and we would have been buried in bad money contracts. Cam would have been the next to be signed. I'm glad somebody stopped it whoever it was.
Les almost got himself fired. Alleva didn't coach and call those defenses against MSU and AU that year, or try to use band aids to keep the defense working and the offense sputtering along. We lost four games in the conference the year Chavis walked and if the big money boosters didn't think something needed to happen it would be hard to imagine what it would take.
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by TheDrunkenTigah on 2/14/16 at 7:16 pm to matt314
I think you're missing the point that Alleva made Chavis and Les's decision for them that Chavis was leaving. It's widely known that Chavis wanted the Miles clause thrown out and Joe refused, going so far as to not even meet with Chavis about it which he thought showed a huge lack of respect. Whether you jumped on the 3rd and Chavis bandwagon or not as an LSU fan you have to admit that's not the way to treat a guy who has done a pretty damn good job calling your defense for 8 years.
You can argue that Chavis leaving was the catalyst for these good hires and it worked out great for LSU in the end, and I would agree, but that's a different issue from how supportive Alleva was of Miles before Nov. I think it's painfully obvious that Steele type hires would have become the norm if Alleva and whoever was instructing him had not pushed all their chips in and lost. In fact I think making phone calls for potential replacements to Miles was a sobering experience for them, and they realized it was no easy or cheap task to do better than Miles. I will give them credit for quickly getting behind the guy afterwards, I'll be the first to admit I thought having an AD that could get things like this done would take getting rid of Alleva to repair the damage done.
You can argue that Chavis leaving was the catalyst for these good hires and it worked out great for LSU in the end, and I would agree, but that's a different issue from how supportive Alleva was of Miles before Nov. I think it's painfully obvious that Steele type hires would have become the norm if Alleva and whoever was instructing him had not pushed all their chips in and lost. In fact I think making phone calls for potential replacements to Miles was a sobering experience for them, and they realized it was no easy or cheap task to do better than Miles. I will give them credit for quickly getting behind the guy afterwards, I'll be the first to admit I thought having an AD that could get things like this done would take getting rid of Alleva to repair the damage done.
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by ninthward on 2/14/16 at 7:18 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
The non legit part of this to me is, talking to Aranda last year and going with Steele. What the f is up with that?
re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by Vacherie Saint on 2/14/16 at 7:24 pm to UnAnon
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best offseason
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re: So Alleva get's exposed in November, Miles has best offseason in a while.Posted by matt314 on 2/14/16 at 8:40 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I think you're missing the point that Alleva made Chavis and Les's decision for them that Chavis was leaving. It's widely known that Chavis wanted the Miles clause thrown out and Joe refused, going so far as to not even meet with Chavis about it which he thought showed a huge lack of respect. Whether you jumped on the 3rd and Chavis bandwagon or not as an LSU fan you have to admit that's not the way to treat a guy who has done a pretty damn good job calling your defense for 8 years.
You can argue that Chavis leaving was the catalyst for these good hires and it worked out great for LSU in the end, and I would agree, but that's a different issue from how supportive Alleva was of Miles before Nov. I think it's painfully obvious that Steele type hires would have become the norm if Alleva and whoever was instructing him had not pushed all their chips in and lost. In fact I think making phone calls for potential replacements to Miles was a sobering experience for them, and they realized it was no easy or cheap task to do better than Miles. I will give them credit for quickly getting behind the guy afterwards, I'll be the first to admit I thought having an AD that could get things like this done would take getting rid of Alleva to repair the damage done.
Alleva gave Miles a totally unneeded and unearned extension after his bluff with Arky. Les should be eternally grateful to him. I doubt that the boosters who pay into the system were too anxious to give Alleva carte blanche anymore. I'm for LSU first and foremost and agree totally with the clause since being tied to an HC till 2018 that you can only release with a huge buyout should not be hooked to having to pay a king's ransom to jettison his staff.
Chavis got the treatment he deserved. He coached for 5 full years and one part time as he job hunted. He wasn't blindsided, he blindsided Miles and his own players.
The reason that Les was hamstrung is that he hadn't performed well enough to be given whatever he wanted. What's fair for LSU? Would having Aranda have helped that pathetic offense against Alabama and Arky? Cam is still on board and since the great recruiting class everyone has forgotten that elephant in the room.
Les Miles needs to win something aside from what has become his norm or these February to September victories are not going to be enough. The administration is giving him all the rope he needs to either pull the program to the top of the mountain again or hang himself. I would think they're hoping he pulls it up.
With that kind of support he needs to get better results when it really counts. Being just good enough to hang around probably won't be anymore.
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Yeah, but Alleva is gonna get all the blame because he's the rant's whipping boy and it gives Les another free pass
Alleva demanded the "Miles Clause" last year. That led to Chavis leaving and Aranda not accepting an offer.
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