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re: Skip dropping all the little LSU secrets on 104.5
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:12 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:12 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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DiNardo started that. Kevin Faulk is probably the most important recruit in LSU history. He made it cool for Louisiana players to go to LSU rather than FSU or Miami. DiNardo's downfall was much like Miles', he was loyal and stubborn (keeping Lou Tepper's shitty defense, and starting Booty over Davey can be argued as well).
Saban was good here, and got a lot of things going (i.e. facilities) and kept/increased in-state recruiting. Which set the foundation for Miles to come in and succeed, and has kept LSU towards the top in the nation. It sucks that he left for the NFL, and then became such a huge success at one of LSU's rivals. But all credit for LSU's success is given to him which is unwarranted.
Edit to add: If Saban resurrected LSU from ashes after those two losing seasons that were preceded by three winning seasons (7-4, 10-2, 9-3), you must truly believe that the 7-4 in DiNardo's first year is a miracle since it followed SIX losing seasons. Seems like DiNardo must have created that team out of thin air as there must have been no ashes from which to resurrect.
Those point are laughable. Yes Faulk was a big recruit but the biggest in history? I think not. And players were still leaving Louisiana even under Dinardo.
Michael Clayton and Marcus Spears were headed out of state before Saban. After 4-7 and 3-8 seasons they certainly weren't looking at LSU very hard. Dinardo couldn't hold Saban's jock as a recruiter.
And yes, by definition taking a 4-7 and 3-8 team and going 8-4 and then 10-3 is resurrection. That is not taking away anything away from Dinardo's 1995 season. It's just a fact.
Saban deserves a ton of credit for LSU's rise. He changed the CULTURE of the program from "catastrophe syndrome" to success.
Without SAban there is no Les Miles!
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:15 pm to JohnnyU
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Those point are laughable. Yes Faulk was a big recruit but the biggest in history? I think not. And players were still leaving Louisiana even under Dinardo.
Kevin Faulk was the #1 recruit in the nation and Dinardo brought him to Baton Rouge. Those guys hadn't been coming to LSU. With Kevin Faulk, LSU made a resurgence with 3 straight bowl seasons (all wins). Let's not forget the importance of that first bowl win over a Michigan State team with a short, little coach who apparently was impressed by what he saw when he played LSU in Shreveport for that bowl game.
If Dinardo doesn't bring back the magic, does Saban ever tell Jimmy Sexton to make that call to Baton Rouge when the job came open?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:16 pm to Schmelly
Best 104.5 programming ever!
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:30 pm to Choupique19
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Kevin Faulk was the #1 recruit in the nation and Dinardo brought him to Baton Rouge.
No he wasn't but he was monster recruit and it was a coup to get him. Look, Dinardo should get more credit for making the job more appealing but he couldn't sustain it and, by the time he left, the good will was declining. I am saying that Nick was transformative. Morris Watts, who was on staff at MSU with Saban told him that LSU was a sleeping giant.
The people who discount Saban's impact are fooling themselves.
Saban had a vision and every day he was at LSU he was working toward making the vision a reality. Dinardo didn't have that and I don't think Miles had it either.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:36 pm to JohnnyU
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Yes Faulk was a big recruit but the biggest in history? I think not
Then you think very little.
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And players were still leaving Louisiana even under Dinardo.
Did I say they weren't? I said DiNardo STARTED the in-state recruiting success.
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Michael Clayton and Marcus Spears were headed out of state before Saban. After 4-7 and 3-8 seasons they certainly weren't looking at LSU very hard.
They both graduated high school in 2001, a full year into Saban's Tenure. It's not like they were recruits headed out the door that he magically flipped before signing day in 2000. They were probably looking at LSU, their hometown team as both were from Baton Rouge, pretty hard after a an 8-4 season and a Peach Bowl win. So...I'm not sure what your point is.
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Dinardo couldn't hold Saban's jock as a recruiter.
Did I say he could?
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And yes, by definition taking a 4-7 and 3-8 team and going 8-4 and then 10-3 is resurrection. That is not taking away anything away from Dinardo's 1995 season. It's just a fact.
So, by this FACT, DiNardo had already resurrected the team by going 7-4, 10-3, and 9-2 following 4-7, 5-6, 5-6, 2-9, 5-6, and 4-7. That is not taking anything away from Saban's 2000 season. It's just a fact.
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Saban deserves a ton of credit for LSU's rise. He changed the CULTURE of the program from "catastrophe syndrome" to success.
Without SAban there is no Les Miles!
He does deserve credit, but not all that is heaped upon him. Just like you're doing, you're giving him all the credit, when in fact much of the Foundation can go back to DiNardo. Saban did change the culture, but "catastrophe syndrome" is still here, and was here when Saban was still the coach.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:40 pm to JohnnyU
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, Dinardo should get more credit for making the job more appealing but he couldn't sustain it and, by the time he left, the good will was declining. I am saying that Nick was transformative. Morris Watts, who was on staff at MSU with Saban told him that LSU was a sleeping giant.
I agree
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The people who discount Saban's impact are fooling themselves.
I wasn't trying to discount Saban. Just pointing out that Dinardo, as you said, made LSU appealing.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:46 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
Why would I do that? He's told me so much stuff and I appreciate everything he tells me.. Gives me a piece of mind about a lot of transgressions with our staff. So why would I frick that up? And he's a good friend.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:48 pm to MSG
If this is true and such a good friend you would not mention that at all, funny how much attention you really want.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:51 pm to pbro62
By shooting down a stupid rumor? Ok.. You can go frick yourself too, little fella.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:54 pm to jlc05
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Saban didn't want to leave but told Skip if he turned down the best offer ever from an NFL franchise then he would never get another one.
- Saban dragged his feet for over a month which hurt the search
Of course it does...
Would you expect anything less?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 5:59 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
not reading through 22 pages but he also said if we could bring jumbo back he'd be worth every penny
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:16 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Let's gloss over that he resurrected the program from ashes. Forget that he stopped the hemorrhaging of Louisiana recruits going elsewhere.
DiNardo started that
True, but he refused to recruit two-sport football players. Fact. I was there.
Kennison was told by Dinardo he better come to spring practice or else. Kennison told him to frick off(figuratively speaking) since he was already promised he could do both and ran track that spring. Kennison proceeded to not start, or didn't play a whole lot the first 2-3 games of the year.
Chris Cummins had similar issues, but wanted to play pro football so bad he attended spring practices.
LSU lost Scott to Tennessee because Dinardo said he couldn't run track and a top level thrower to Arky too. Plus others and a few baseball players too.
Saban revived the two-sport recruiting and attended T&F championships when LSU hosted it. He ran on the track to hug 400m hurdler after the race. Forget his name, but Saban went ballistic with excitement for him.
Saban literally retooled everything the football team did. Recruiting, facilities, academics (monitoring), etc. He was also the major influence of the athletic academic center getting built.
I hate to tell you and other haters but Saban left a huge footprint here. A reason why Skip said he was the best coach he ever been around.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:24 pm to thelawnwranglers
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Saban is Saban thanks for turning us around good luck after you tide tenure is done.
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thelawnwranglers
Holy shite, just wanted to save this one for posterity. The STUPID is STRONG in this one.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:37 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
22 pages so far....pics?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:57 pm to jlc05
I can confirm Saban was very indecisive on going to the Dolphins. He had detailed conversations with my step father about it, and went back and forth on it. I remember him saying people don't realize as direct and decisive as Nick is as a coach he is not that way in all his personal like matters.
He told him he thought he would hate the NFL but he could tell he wanted the challenge
He told him he thought he would hate the NFL but he could tell he wanted the challenge
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:00 pm to TutHillTiger
And if he did not like it he could always come back to college
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:06 pm to ccomeaux
Chicken my smack you if you do.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:13 pm to irnfan
No idea Skip Holtz had that much insight on LSU. Lou must be really proud of that boy.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:14 pm to SG_Geaux
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The LSU fanbase has ALWAYS been football first even when baseball what at its peak.
Too an extent, yes. I should have said media/national attention instead of fanbase.
However, you're fooling yourself if you think skip wanted Saban to have a dynasty, like he had in baseball, in football under his reign as AD.
This post was edited on 9/28/16 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 9/28/16 at 7:17 pm to MSG
Ok tough guy
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