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re: Short cornerbacks question?

Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:48 pm to
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DIdn't offer Tre white or Tyran Mathieu because of it.



Saban nailed this offer snub.
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3004 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:50 pm to
It is VERY rare to get a guy that tall (taller than 6'1") that can change direction quickly and has the hips for CB. CB's have to have the best change of direction skills and speedquickness out of anybody, as the WR knows where he is going, the DB does not and has to react accordingly.

You are right about Bama. Coach Saban has a "template" for each position, meaning an ideal height/weight/body type and with few exceptions he does not deviate from it, no matter how talented a kid is. He will miss on a few, but percentages say that he will hit more than miss.
Posted by BRUNNIN4
DFW
Member since Mar 2010
3060 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:54 pm to
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Look at the video featuring a Texas A&M receiver recruit vs. an LSU DB recruit. I'm worried this will happen in goal line situations. I need some reassurance.

White shut down RSJ and every other receiver all week in the Army practices and game, I think he'll be just fine.
Posted by CaptainColeSlaw
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2013
687 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:54 pm to
Holmes: 6'2
Mills: 6'0
Collins: 6'2
Thomas: 6'0
Raymond: 6'1
Robinson: 6'2
Also Ed Paris is 6'2

I think we will be fine with corner height.
Posted by BRUNNIN4
DFW
Member since Mar 2010
3060 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:55 pm to
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Tyran mathieu went to the alabama football camp, so Saban had an up-close & personal look at Tyran and didn't offer. He exploited the height difference in the national championship game.

Mathieu was horrible, he would've never seen the field at Bama.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:07 pm to
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Texas A&M receiver vs. LSU DB recruit


Ok, you're REALLY a special kind of dumb. RSJ is 6-5 230lbs. He'd do the same thing to a 6'-6'2 DB.
Posted by BananaHammock
Member since Aug 2011
13150 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:10 pm to
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Tiger F@g
Are you a top, bottom, or vers?
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10479 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:12 pm to
OP, YOU ARE STUPID FOR EVEN CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT A GREAT POSITION GROUP AT LSU COULD EVER HAVE A WEAKNESS.

I think this is a completely reasonable question in all seriousness though. The game is changing in the NFL. Pete Carroll is starting to use bigger DBs to combat the bigger WR in the NFL and it is definitely paying off for him. Bigger corners are becoming a trend, and as with most things in football it will slowly start to trickle down into the college game. LSU has had some great DBs in the last few years and majority have been either tall or had a ridiculous wing span. The ones that didn't were incredible athletes that could make up for their lack of size. I think LSU will be okay because I do think they are trying to recruit big corners. And when the guys they recruit don't have size, it is because they have great coverage skills like TreDavious White.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
29933 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Tiger F@g



Dumb arse
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 2:19 pm
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
13027 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:20 pm to
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Texas A&M receiver vs. LSU DB recruit.


I think the commentator said he (RSJ) finally won one. Do you have the rest of the video with White making all of the plays?
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11129 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:22 pm to
Saban also went right at Mathieu in the NC game. Worked pretty well with taller WRs/TEs.

Im sure LSU would prefer taller guys, but there arent a ton of tall guys that can play CB. The athleticism is still #1 priority.
Posted by BRUNNIN4
DFW
Member since Mar 2010
3060 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:23 pm to
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Saban also went right at Mathieu in the NC game. Worked pretty well with taller WRs/TEs.

That 60 yards he gave up was the reason we lost that game.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10479 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:25 pm to
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Im sure LSU would prefer taller guys, but there arent a ton of tall guys that can play CB. The athleticism is still #1 priority.

This is 100% correct

quote:

That 60 yards he gave up was the reason we lost that game

Cause thats what he said
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11129 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:26 pm to
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That 60 yards he gave up was the reason we lost that game.


Did i say that? They did convert some key 3rd downs early in the game.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:45 pm to
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They did convert some key 3rd downs early in the game.


Literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of that game.
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10479 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:49 pm to
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Literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of that game.
The outcome of the game literally has NOTHING to do with the argument that smaller CBs like TM7 can be exploited when schemed well against, and Saban did just that.
Posted by 6nmylifetime
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Member since Nov 2012
598 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:51 pm to
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You are right about Bama. Coach Saban has a "template" for each position, meaning an ideal height/weight/body type and with few exceptions he does not deviate from it, no matter how talented a kid is


Off the top of my head Kareem Jackson at 5'10" is the only DB Saban has recruited under 5'11". Will Lowery at 5'9" saw a lot of action as a nickel safety under Saban but he was a walk on.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11129 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:56 pm to
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Literally had NOTHING to do with the outcome of that game.


Wow, you guys are still touchy about this game. All i said was Saban went right at Mathieu with taller recievers and it worked. There's no denying that. Sheesh.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 3:03 pm
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 2:58 pm to
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that smaller CBs like TM7 can be exploited when schemed well against, and Saban did just that.


All CBs can be exploited with good ball placement. LSU exploited Alabama's CBs in last years game.

Tre'davious White is an elite CB prospect and the reason Alabama didn't recruit him hard has nothing to do with his height. He was 100% LSU from very early on.

And Mathieu was a complete game changer, and any team and coach in the country would have wanted him after what he did his freshman year.

It's not like LSU only takes small corners, when the talent in there as is the case with Mathieu or White you can overlook an inch or 2.
Posted by Scatmanjohn12
Grand Prairie, Louisiana
Member since Feb 2013
1090 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 3:00 pm to
If you listen to that tape closely, you hear the commentators say "he finally won one". That's because white was shutting down RSJ and every other wr he faced that week.
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