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re: Russell Sheppard looking very good tonight in Tampa
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:46 am to CptBengal
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:46 am to CptBengal
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You should just bump the threads that basically laughed at him for even going to the NFL...
I'll eat some crow. I was one who thought Shep had no shot in the NFL. I just didn't see enough skill (other than straight line speed), and specifically saw bad hands and going down at first contact.
But clearly he's proven me wrong, and good for him.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:54 am to Buck Dancer
Les Miles maximizes talent like water flows through a sieve.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:55 am to atltiger6487
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going down at first contact.
i mean he's a slot receiver.....he's not expected to break a bunch of tackles by running through guys. he's supposed to make guys miss, which he did just fine whe he was able to get the ball in his hands in college. his biggest problems was pure fundamentals. he ran poor routes, and poor technique, inconsistent catching the ball. but, knocking wide receiver that isn't in the mold of a mike evans for going down at first contact is kind of ridiculous.
and, shepard has found a place in the nfl, but he's been a career special teams player because he works his arse off to find the field however he can. he still has a lot of work to do to find himself in a regular rotation at wide receiver. hopefully he's able to do that this year
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:59 am to atltiger6487
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College coaches don't develop players with the goal being to make it in the NFL. They do it to win games.
Right...BC we don't land a large majority of our recruits from pitching to them the number of players we put in the NFL ("NFLSU"). For sure not denying that they make decisions to help the team out on the field at the college level...that’s a given. Similar to being taught in high school... you are taught things to help improve your knowledge at that time, but it is also being done to set up your future (college future)...Again, IMO.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:02 am to LSUfanNkaty
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Right...BC we don't land a large majority of our recruits from pitching to them the number of players we put in the NFL ("NFLSU").
That's different.
We DO put a lot of players in the NFL and of course that's a nice selling point to recruits. I'm just saying our coaches don't coach with that being the main goal.
They coach and develop players to fit within their system to win college games.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:07 am to MOT
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I didn't read the entire thread but I hope someone pointed out he has "succeeded" in the NFL the same way he did at LSU, by being the 4th or 5th WR and playing special teams.
this
is everyone complaining that James Wright was under utilized at LSU as well?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:09 am to atltiger6487
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That's different.
We DO put a lot of players in the NFL and of course that's a nice selling point to recruits. I'm just saying our coaches don't coach with that being the main goal.
They coach and develop players to fit within their system to win college games.
I can run with that
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:00 am to atltiger6487
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I just didn't see enough skill (other than straight line speed), and specifically saw bad hands and going down at first contact.
Watch video of his first two years at LSU. He had it. He just picked the wrong college for his talent.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:59 am to tubucoco
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They will say he didn't do nothing at LSU even though the kid was used all wrong at LSU by Miles and staff
Pretty sure he wanted to stay at QB, which is where he wasted his time.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He just picked the wrong college for his talent.
the only other real choice he had to go somewhere better suited for his talent was to go to somewhere that allowed him to play QB. If he had gone that route, Russell Shepard is in a worse spot upon entering the NFL than he was at LSU. LSU did everything they could to put him in the best position possible to make an NFL roster. He had 4 freaking years to learn how to be a WR, and LSU gave him every opportunity they could to utilize his skill set. He just flat out couldn't do the small things it takes to be a college WR. And it's not like Shepard was the first former high school QB to play a different position in college. However, he did get experience on ST at LSU, and low and behold, that's where he was able to find a spot in the NFL.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:44 pm to LSUfanNkaty
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I don't get this argument.... It was Miles and the LSU coaching staff that made the "bold" decision at the time to convert what was a top HS qb into a WR type player. The kid is a great talent, and I say he has succeeded in the NFL (as displayed last night), due to the switch made by Miles and the LSU coaching staff. Our coaches know what it takes to give our players the best chance to make it in the NFL...and that is on full display with RS.
FWIW, I think I recall it being Shep's idea to make the switch to WR. He had to convince the coaches to make it happen. He knew his money would be earned at WR in the NFL.
Shep asked to be switched to WR
The last couple of sentences might make you chuckle.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:48 pm to LSUfanNkaty
I dont care what anyone says, saw that kid play in high school as a QB, should have left him at QB, was 10X the QB Jefferson could have ever dreamed of being.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:30 pm to TigerFan55555
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I dont care what anyone says, saw that kid play in high school as a QB, should have left him at QB, was 10X the QB Jefferson could have ever dreamed of being.
Jefferson threw the ball much better than Shepard. In high school, Jefferson threw for significantly more yards and had a much higher completion percentage than Shepard. Shepard only completed 55% of his passes in high school. He also didn't have nearly as strong an arm as Jefferson. Shepard was not suited to play QB at an elite college program, and the only reason he chose LSU is because Les was at least going to give him the opportunity to try to make it as a QB, something Texas and Mack Brown wouldn't promise. But at the end of the day, Shepard was an elite athlete that happened to play QB in high school.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:53 pm to Buck Dancer
People underestimate the process it takes to become a strong college/NFL receiver. Most think you can take an athlete, switch him over, and get instant success. There is more to it than a fast forty time, being 6'3", etc. I think Shep just needed time to learn the position, as noboby ever questioned his athleticism.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:26 pm to atltiger6487
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Making it in the NFL is primarily the result of recruiting elite talent and hopefully developing it. But any development by college coaches is to help the college team win, not to improve the odds of success in the NFL.
Feed back loop. Get players to NFL, makes your university look better, elite recruits more likely to attend your university, more players go to the NFL.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
rick , it is nice to see a little realism on the rant!
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:34 pm to Buck Dancer
When Shep showed at LSU Matt Flynn took him out to the field and revealed his lack of arm ,LSU tryed a lot with him and managed to help him get where he is now !
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:52 pm to timm6971463
I am once again blown away at people on this site who pass themselves off as LSU fans.
Does Derrick Williams ring a bell for some of y'all? Or Bryce Brown? Joe McKnight, Ronald Powell ? etc. all top 3 recruits and none of whom, for various reasons, had the spectacular careers they were projected to have. It happens at all schools. Did Saban misuse Penny? Or Duron Carter? Or the dozens he has processed over the years? Shep developed slowly. It wasn't miles fault or shep's; it took a really long time for him to hone his skills and I'm really happy for him that he is starting to realize his potential.
Does Derrick Williams ring a bell for some of y'all? Or Bryce Brown? Joe McKnight, Ronald Powell ? etc. all top 3 recruits and none of whom, for various reasons, had the spectacular careers they were projected to have. It happens at all schools. Did Saban misuse Penny? Or Duron Carter? Or the dozens he has processed over the years? Shep developed slowly. It wasn't miles fault or shep's; it took a really long time for him to hone his skills and I'm really happy for him that he is starting to realize his potential.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 6:30 pm to lsufball19
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the only other real choice he had to go somewhere better suited for his talent was to go to somewhere that allowed him to play QB. If he had gone that route, Russell Shepard is in a worse spot upon entering the NFL than he was at LSU.
Shep was an undrafted free agent. His talent as an athlete in camp earned him an NFL spot.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:35 pm to Ldrake53
All that sounds reasonable to me !
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