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Rewatching- TE's are our Achilles heel ...why don't we use 'em?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:28 pm
Power running teams who have had success against us have eaten is up with their TE receiving the ball. (Arky, Wisc, Ala, etc) regardless of our scheme.
It's a basic concept: opposing defenses over-commit their LB'ers to the run, leaving the TE more space to operate & keeps them honest.
At the very least, LSU as a power running team could gain at least a fractional advantage by employing designed TE throws early in the game to keep their LB's & safeties from cheating to the strong side of the formation.
Yet, time & time again, we do not involve the TE in passing game until the 4th qtr at best, as if we are just discovering this as a counter-move strategically to give our RB's more space to operate & our QB a safety valve.
Why is this? We recruit highly regarded receiving TE's year after year , rarely to be used.
It's a basic concept: opposing defenses over-commit their LB'ers to the run, leaving the TE more space to operate & keeps them honest.
At the very least, LSU as a power running team could gain at least a fractional advantage by employing designed TE throws early in the game to keep their LB's & safeties from cheating to the strong side of the formation.
Yet, time & time again, we do not involve the TE in passing game until the 4th qtr at best, as if we are just discovering this as a counter-move strategically to give our RB's more space to operate & our QB a safety valve.
Why is this? We recruit highly regarded receiving TE's year after year , rarely to be used.
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:30 pm to AjaxFury
I personally think this is on Harris. If you don't go through your reads, you never get to the TE. Are there any plays designed for the TE to be the first read? I honestly don't know.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:31 pm to PaperTiger
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I personally think this is on Harris.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:32 pm to PaperTiger
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If you don't go through your reads, you never get to the TE.
Dude, they don't even run routes. 95% of the time they're in pass protection. The first time one really ran a route Harris threw a perfect pass to him.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:36 pm to PaperTiger
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personally think this is on Harris.
Les specifically said in the presser today that the QB needs to get the ball to the person the play is designed to.
Well, guess what? Live defense's aren't practice dummies & wont react to what you WANT to them to do. That's why even high school offenses have progressions.
It doesn't appear from film of from Miles' mouth that he lets Harris have a plan B in the passing game. It's a self fulfilling prophecy of not trusting your QB and it f-ing up
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:40 pm to AjaxFury
Does Les and Cam even know that the tight end can have to ball thrown to them?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:42 pm to PaperTiger
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I personally think this is on Harris. If you don't go through your reads, you never get to the TE. Are there any plays designed for the TE to be the first read? I honestly don't know.
Has Harris been QB for 8 years?
I mean what the frick people
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:45 pm to PaperTiger
quote:Of course. Gronk isn't a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th option. TE doesn't have to be the official first read anyway to be the first person the qb looks at, especially when the qb sees a blitz coming.
Are there any plays designed for the TE to be the first read? I honestly don't know.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:47 pm to AjaxFury
I'll concede that point if Miles said that. I didn't hear, nor wanted to hear The press conference
With that being said, I don't know the play call. I do know that Harris stares down a receiver. If you stare down a receiver, you aren't going through your reads.
And we don't have Gronk. I meant do we have plays where the TE is our first option
With that being said, I don't know the play call. I do know that Harris stares down a receiver. If you stare down a receiver, you aren't going through your reads.
And we don't have Gronk. I meant do we have plays where the TE is our first option
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:55 pm to AjaxFury
And they CANT BLOCK! Gordon injury and ruling killed us last year and now this one.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:55 pm to AjaxFury
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Why is this?
More Big Cat needed
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:06 pm to AjaxFury
Who said the lask of throws was on harris?
CLM in the time I have seen him coach throws to the TE less and less as time goes by. I've stopped looking for answers why.
CLM in the time I have seen him coach throws to the TE less and less as time goes by. I've stopped looking for answers why.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:07 pm to PaperTiger
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I personally think this is on Harris. If you don't go through your reads, you never get to the TE. Are there any plays designed for the TE to be the first read? I honestly don't know.
Seven hells. You don't get out much, do you?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:10 pm to tiggerthetooth
What's that got to do with anything? When we run a TE out for a pass, he's hardly ever the first read. Is that right or wrong? Yes we have them blocking a ton. No doubt. But we are talking about why we don't use them.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:13 pm to ShortyRob
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Has Harris been QB for 8 years?
I mean what the frick people
What? I'm not saying Harris designs plays. I'm saying a QB in the SEC should learn their progressions. Whether he just doesn't or is taught to only throw to one person is my point.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:24 pm to AjaxFury
Cause we run 50 fricking plays a game. We don't run for bough plays to know how the Defense will defend the TE or the middle.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:39 pm to AjaxFury
Bo did NOt throw much to his TEs either..
As Les mentally regresses to his college days, he reverts more and more to Bo's offense....
just saying...
As Les mentally regresses to his college days, he reverts more and more to Bo's offense....
just saying...
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:48 pm to PaperTiger
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When we run a TE out for a pass
Except, we don't but once or twice a game. Literally, once or twice a game. Over the past 5 years (Hanagriff mentioned this stat himself) LSU has averaged 1.0 catches per game to the TE.
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But we are talking about why we don't use them.
This is why I am knocking you. If you've paid attention to the last 5 years of LSU football, you would realize Miles employs really heavy tight ends in his dominant formation, and only those types because he thinks it gives them an edge in blocking. Its why Dillon Gordon was over 300 lb last season, and the only time he got hurt was when he caught a pass (because hes too big to go out for a pass).
There's a reason Desean Smith hasn't played a lot since he came to LSU. He's probably the best pass catching TE on the team. Jacory Washington can also catch the ball well, but they're likely not as great at blocking as the guys you typically see (Moreau, Jeter).
In fact, just this year LSU brought in a fresh TE already at 270. They tried to bring in Hanner Shipley last season as a fresh TE, he's now an OT at Blinn...at about you guessed it...300 lb.
Hanner Shipley 247
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Miles said Gordon, a senior who caught his first pass of the season on the injury play,
Eagles convert rookie TE to offensive guard
What I'm trying to say is....LSU's offense does not allow for many TE passes...Les Miles prefer they just block because well...thats just what he does. Its also the reason LSU is one of the few teams that still trots the FB position out 80% of the game.
LINK
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“We had a lot of discussions of what he and I thought would be productive some day in college football that would go on deaf ears with Les because it didn’t involve two tight ends and a fullback,” Gundy said, chuckling. “We joke about that now.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
Use our tight ends? Don't be ridiculous. We're just gonna keep dong what we're doing and try to grit it out in the final seconds of every game.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:57 pm to tigerfoot
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Cause we run 50 fricking plays a game. We don't run for bough plays to know how the Defense will defend the TE or the middle.
Don't understand why they don't do more drag routes with the TE. Even if Les doesn't prefer to use Smith in running formations, doesn't mean he can't use him and run the play to the backside so at least they respect his receiving thread - that slows the SS & LB reaction times
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