re: Rabalais says Johnny Jones ain't gettin' canned if/when they miss the tourney

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but he's coming off back to back 11-7 SEC seasons...that's not remotely close enough to getting fired. There is an argument to be made you may have won 3-4 more games with Keith Hornsby and Victor playing, too. It all factors into consideration.

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Do the blowouts, complete lack of discipline, horrid defense, end of the season dropoff, horrible losses, embarrassing effort, and dont give a shite attitudes included in that consideration?

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He built the momentum up for the next guy to come in and bring them to the next level.

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Well, you don't want to wait forever for the next guy to come in. It is always possible for coaches to have stayed too long in a program.

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Do the blowouts, complete lack of discipline, horrid defense, end of the season dropoff, horrible losses, embarrassing effort, and dont give a shite attitudes included in that consideration?

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Well somewhat, he's the coach and the team has given up. But there is also zero player leadership. Coaches need players to be able to lead, as well. They're still kids that only spend a certain amount of time with their coach each week.

Yeah and Les Miles was supposed to get fired too.

F*ck that guy.

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Taking bets on average attendance at the PMAC next season. I'll se tthe O/U at 7500.

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It wasn't much below that during the 2-14 SEC seasons.

Not close to happening.

I truly do not understand the logic in keeping him around for next year.

1. Any momentum that the program had going for it coming into this year is GONE! No one is going to show up at the PMAC next season. There aren't going to be many new request for season tickets. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if you have several season ticket cancellations. LSU built this season up as THE YEAR and then flopped. There is no great player coming into town next year. No great recruiting class. No momentum coming off a NCAAT run. Why is anyone going to be excited about LSU basketball with the same HC still in charge?

2. Does anyone really think Jones is going to drastically turn things around next season? If so, what are your reasons? He would be going into year 17 as a HC still with ZERO NCAAT wins in all that time. He's never even won an outright reg season conf. title? Is next year without Simmons, Hornsby, likely Quaterman and possibly Blakeney the year that all of a sudden changes?

3. Maybe a new coach could come in and get Quaterman and Blakeney to stay. Add them to Victor, Sampson, Patterson, even Epps, and LSU would have some decent talent on the team next year. The cupboard would not be completely bare, and the new coach could get a jumpstart on what looks to be two good upcoming years in Louisiana HS basketball.

4. If you don't think Jones and the LSU program are going to be negatively recruited by every other SEC coach for this season's results, then you're crazy. Plus, there are now 3 SEC coaches with deep Louisiana ties (B. Kennedy, White, Johnson). They have their eyes on the 2017 & 2018 LA classes as well.

5. He's the 3rd lowest paid coach in the SEC (soon to be second once Kennedy gets a raise at A&M). This isn't a Miles situation where the cost just to fire the coach would have been huge, let alone the cost of bringing in a new coach.


Everyone, including myself, wanted Jones to succeed at LSU. However, everyone (except the Dale Brown coalition) knew he wasn't qualified for the LSU job. The ONLY reason he was even considered for the LSU position is that he played/coached at LSU under Brown. If Jones played his college ball at say, Florida, LSU would have NEVER considered him for the job based upon his record/results at N. Tex. Keeping him for next year just prolongs the inevitable. In doing so however, you may also undo the best thing Jones did for the program, raise the overall talent level.

I think the LSU job can still be an attractive job if available this season. Wait until next year, and that may not be the case.

It all boils down to "asses in the seats"

Nobody should bitch one word next year when the men are drawing 2-4k fans per game.

LSU needs to do ANYTHING to get fans to pack the PMAC. They had Simmons and that's great and all, but you need to be a "consistent" winner. That doesn't necessarily mean final fours and elite eights. But for God's sakes, every basketball program should shoot for making the tourney 3 outta every 4 years.

LSU doesnt have to be a blue blood program to do that. I mean frick, LSU desperately needs some excitement and Jones isn't the guy. You know it. I know it. Joe Alleva knows it, and even the fricking nation knows it after this debacle of a season.

It's time to cut ties, but they won't because they're fricking nutless.

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I am not defending Jones. I think he is an above average recruiter and average at best bench coach. I am stating facts and the reasons they will give him one more year.

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Even his best supporters think he is a below average coach. Why are we settling for this? Do you think LSU will ever have a more talented lineup than this year?

Do you think that Jones will improve as a coach?

Been going to LSUMBB for many years and I'll be at every game next season.

I do think attendance will drop back to 2014-15 levels but it wont be 2-4K for SEC games for sure.

JJ will be evaluated by next season and his recruiting does next year. LSU fans need to remember we hired him on the cheap and he is not a well-paid HC among SEC MBB HCs.