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re: Paul Manieri and throwing college kids under the bus
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:02 am to tigernation56
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:02 am to tigernation56
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it all comes down to coaching.
No it doesn't.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:28 am to ell_13
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I really hope for your sake you are just playing dumb
It's amusing that you see the LSU pitching stats in our 2 L's, 18 runs, 19 hits, 10 walks and such, and champion that as "executing", but my suggesting that those stats don't equate to examples of acceptable execution as "playing dumb". If you want to see "dumb", I suggest you look in the mirror.
It was a great yr. for LSU baseball. Not the greatest of yrs., but nevertheless a great yr cause of the effort put out by the LSU team. When CWS trips for our baseball team become examples of postseason failures in the minds of some, I suggest those some don't have a freaking clue as to the amount of successful effort put out by all on that team to enable that team to reach the CWS in this college baseball era.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:45 am to lsufball19
TCU had the 2nd best staff ERA in the country & was a national seed & beat the aggies 2 out of 3 to get to Omaha. Don't see any shame in losing to a team like that.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:40 am to Keltic Tiger
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CWS Finals Game 3: Virginia 4 vs. Vanderbilt 2 - Final / Virginia wins the CWS
Yeah number 3 seed wins it all?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:50 am to subotic
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Skip is gone. Gorilla ball is gone. It's time to move on everyone.
And yet pm can't figure how to win it all be it small ball,pitching,being aggresive on the bases,hit and run nothing.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:50 am to Keltic Tiger
quote:there is no shame at all in losing to them. They were a really good team. However there is shame in getting blown out in consecutive games and our coach looking clueless in the second one.
TCU had the 2nd best staff ERA in the country & was a national seed & beat the aggies 2 out of 3 to get to Omaha. Don't see any shame in losing to a team like that.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:11 am to Lonnie4LSU
I agree. I just hate that he looks like he is pissing himself in tough spots. Almost like he expects to lose. Confidence is contagious
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:13 am to Jaydeaux
Exactly, it's not that we lost, it's the way it happened.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:14 am to Keltic Tiger
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TCU had the 2nd best staff ERA in the country & was a national seed & beat the aggies 2 out of 3 to get to Omaha. Don't see any shame in losing to a team like that.
Shirts.
Print 'em.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:16 am to Lonnie4LSU
Some pitcher executed. Some did not. Paul, for some unknown reason, replaced the ones who were.
Do you seriously not understand that?
Do you seriously not understand that?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:22 am to ell_13
It's because it's easy to ride a wave, it's harder to make your own.
As you can see.
As you can see.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:40 am to ell_13
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Some pitcher executed
Your OP on execution was that pitchers executed. Not that some executed and some didn't. Now that you have changed the thrust of your posting, I agree.
My only point remains that pitching on the whole in our 2 L's could not be described as executing by any standards I know.
If you want to blame their failure to execute, on the whole, more on staff decisions than on the guys throwing the balls, go for it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:48 am to ell_13
quote:My original quote. I didn't say all pitchers. I thought it would be pretty obvious what I was talking about. Guess not... should have known better considering my audience.
Players were executing... specifically pitchers. And he removed them.
quote:My second quote explaining further. Yet you still didn't understand?
If you don't understand the point I was making about PM removing the pitchers who were executing, then I can't help you. Even his staunchest defenders understand that putting in Godfrey when he did... and Stallings when he did were huge mistakes that made zero sense.
quote:And the 3rd!
Some pitchers didn't give up those runs and hits. Paul took them out.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:50 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:You are a blind idiot if you can't see he was making bad decision after bad decision.
If you want to blame their failure to execute, on the whole, more on staff decisions than on the guys throwing the balls, go for it.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:51 am to ell_13
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Guess not... should have known better considering my audience.
Forgive them.
Most of them have never won an national championship in baseball like you have.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:55 am to Gray Tiger
Is that what it takes to have common sense now?
Poor idiots.
Poor idiots.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:49 am to ell_13
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Players were executing... specifically pitchers
quote:
My original quote. I didn't say all pitchers
Whatever...but 19 hits, 18 runs, 10 walks in our 2 L's did not show any kinda of adequate "executing... specifically pitchers" in my mind. If you want to champion that as "executing" at the CWS level, knock yourself out.
We disagree.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:55 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:Still quoting that huh and not understanding what I meant. Or just ignoring. Whatever. Lange did great. In game 3, Newman and Norman were doing fantastic yet Paul pulled them. They executed. Why pull them if they were? Paul couldn't even adequately answer that question. He made up some bullshite about Newman not being able to last very long (He had gone at least 3 innings 5 times this year!)... and tried to minimize Norman's outing by saying he faced the bottom of the lineup. He struck out 2 of the 3 he faced!
18 runs, 10 walks in our 2 L's did not show any kinda of adequate "executing... specifically pitchers" in my mind
But yeah... PM made no mistakes.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:39 pm to ell_13
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But yeah... PM made no mistakes.
The always popular retort of the simplistic crowd when someone challenges their take. Next will come "sunshine pumper" since you already tried "dumb" and "idiot".
LSU coaches make mistakes. So do all other coaches. Just cause they make mistakes it doesn't follow that they are solely or even mainly responsible for the failure of any LSU team. If it makes you feel better to rant bout them, go for it.
LSU had a great season, has great players, and has a coaching staff who has produced great results. Neither the staff nor the players were without mistakes, but I am very pleased with the west crown, the SEC crown, and another CWS visit.
Others may feel as they wish.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 2:55 pm to ell_13
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Some pitchers didn't give up those runs and hits. Paul took them out.
The most bothersome thing to me in that game was this. The risk of continuing to go to a bullpen, even a good bullpen, is that no one knows how that guy is going to perform coming into the game. The guy could be a very talented pitcher and yet be unable to control his pitches well enough at that point in his appearance. Middle relievers suffer from this every night in MLB, which is why they aren't starters or closers, but yet it is a good idea in a must win situation?? At that point I would say screw supposed matchups and leave the guy in who is demonstrating control of the zone and getting opponents out.
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