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Other Matt Canada Offensive Looks

Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:20 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:20 pm
A lot has been said about Matt Canada at Pitt. And fairly so. The common understanding is that this is where he had the most control over the offense, and thus gives us the best look over what he likes to do. However he is also known to match his offense to his players. So here is a few highlights from other offesnes he has helmed

Wisconsin 2012- 3 great RBs no Real QB

RBs Highlight Video 14 Min
2012 Big Ten Championship

The Championship one is cool because you get to see "The Barge" formation and Melvin Gordon go off on some Jet Sweeps

Jacoby Brisett 2014 highlights
Probably one of the best QBs Canada has coached. Dual Threat in the best way. We see a much more spread oriented offense.

Chandler Harnish 2011 Highlights

Another Big time Dual Threat QB under Canada.

Anyway, I am excited about the guy. I have enjoyed watchign Pitt videos and I think the pre snap movement is probably a staple now, but you really can't pin Canada down to one type of offense.



Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9111 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:53 pm to
This guy is going to be the reason why SEC teams, SEC fans, media heads, and some LSU fans will be very much surprised this year. Canada has never had a defense like he has here at LSU to work with. I guess you could say Wisconsin was close but I don't know their numbers that year nor do I know if they were near as good as they are now. I'm pumped for this season and these videos are a thing of beauty.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38210 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:55 pm to
Glad someone has finally put some video links of other Canada offenses. LSU's offense likely won't look like Pitt's last year with all of the talent he has to play with here.
Posted by Paul B Ammer
The Mecca of Tuscaloosa
Member since Jul 2017
2423 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 7:58 pm to
The narrative after the 2012 Big 10 Championship game was that former LSU defensive coordinator & then Nebraska HC failed to adjust to the jet sweep.

But if you watch the highlights you see Wisconsin attacked Nebraska when they were in a variety of fronts not just when the Badgers them outnumbered on the playside edge. They also worked the jet sweep when Nebraska tried A gap pressure as well as when they walked up the back side safety.

Canada's attack is based on making the back side safety have to make quick decisions in determining if it is a run or pass and then having to take a good angle to the play.

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 8:03 pm to
I think a lot of the pre snap stuff will look similar.

All it does is disguise the play and make the defense react.

I am a big fan of it. I think it will give Saban fits. He loves to match offenses and make substitutions. I think thats part of why he has more trouble with HUNH offenses. No time to change players.

But I think you will see more down field shots than at NC State.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9111 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 8:24 pm to
Yeah good luck with that. I've never in my life been fooled so much on film the way Canada does. Then I'm only getting a glimpse from the sky, where I can see everyone, much less from the field, where their instincts tell them to attack what's hurting them. It's really a genius scheme IMO and will be extremely difficult to stop. Even Bama
Posted by Paul B Ammer
The Mecca of Tuscaloosa
Member since Jul 2017
2423 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 9:08 pm to
quote:

I think a lot of the pre-snap stuff will look similar


I do too. I think a lot of movement designed give the QB easy pre-snap reads and quick safe routes.

I don't think you'll see a lot of jet/fly sweeps or orbit motion this year. That takes a line that is cohesive and does not allow penetration. There's a reason that you do not see teams run those plays against Bama often.
Posted by Yfan
Biloxi MS
Member since Aug 2017
25 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:32 pm to
Canada had a great situation at Pitt. That unit had a QB, RB, and 2 OL drafted, plus another one or two who will be drafted this year and a WR. Plus Quadree Henderson was killer. It's not like he was working with scrubs there. That unit arguably had more draftable talent at that moment than LSU's offense does at this moment right now.

He's a personnel-driven coach rather than a system coach, so he'll obviously adapt it to Guice and trying to get the ball to the athletic guys in space. I think he obviously had a better QB at Pitt so he'll probably try to scare people into thinking Etling is better than he is, by giving him easy shots to get the ball to his athletes and draw attention away from Guice. Just my guess.
But he was loaded with talent at Pitt. He has some pretty mediocre stops as well so we'll just see how he does with this personnel. It should be fun to see even if it takes a year or so, and I'm not even an LSU fan.
Posted by DaleGribblesMower
Member since Dec 2013
4560 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:37 pm to
frick all that. Toss dive left all day.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 10:43 pm to
He had 1 player taken in the top 3 rounds.

He really put Peterman in the position to even get looked at.

It wasn't a perfect situation. It wasn't like that team was great.

It's not just conventional wisdom to say "oh good I have a 5'8" receiver time to run a million jet sweeps"

Canada really elevated the play there.
Posted by Yfan
Biloxi MS
Member since Aug 2017
25 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:04 pm to
Of course he did. That's what a personnel-driven guy will do. But you have to first have that personnel. Just saying don't get carried away with giving him the ALL of the credit. Personnel matters.

BTW, who cares what rounds they were taken? Draft picks are draft picks. Loads of great players go undrafted every year.

Never said it was perfect, but he didn't produce the #3 offense with a bunch of scrubs. No point in trying to downplay what he had.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66344 posts
Posted on 8/12/17 at 11:21 pm to
quote:

BTW, who cares what rounds they were taken? Draft picks are draft picks. Loads of great players go undrafted every year.


no they aren't.

A 6th round OT isn't the same as a 1st round OT. No one thinks that. It's like recruits aren't just recruits.

For every Tom Brady there are hundreds of 7th Round QBs who didn't make the roster.
Posted by purpleblackangold83
Jackson, MS
Member since Jul 2015
347 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 12:19 am to
Watching these clips shows the brilliance of M.Canada and his play calling. While I think the offense will be much improved, I'm also in a wait and see mode.At each of his stops the offense varied with personal. You also have to factor in competition. Example that 2012 Wisconsin was good but the Big 10 as a whole was terrible. Watching the Wisconsin clip showed well reminded me. That one Monty Ball was a great college back, and the other 2 backs were just as good complimenting each other really well. Wisconsin also had one of the better O-lines in the country and at the time I think the largest in CF. The one name that pops up and you see him often on the tape is T.Fredrickson the all-pro center for the cowboys. 3rbs drafted from that team.Another thing that jumps out on the film is poor tackling. I'm not discrediting the play calling but some of those runs where I saw M.Ball dancing around in spots imo would never happen against most Sec defenses and alot were on the edge which is very hard to attack in this conference when blocking breaks down because of the speed of defenses. Ball made alot of plays even when blocking wasn't there. Overall I'm excited and in a couple weeks I'm actually going to get excited knowing I won't be watching a dinosaur offense.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9463 posts
Posted on 8/13/17 at 7:39 am to
That same Wisky team only scored 14 points in a Rose Bowl loss to Stanford.

Don't know the specifics on why Stanford held the offense in check that day.
Posted by Yfan
Biloxi MS
Member since Aug 2017
25 posts
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:51 am to
Yet the fact that they were drafted at all says they were pretty freakin good in college aye? That's the point. Pretty sure Godchaux and Dupre agree. Trying to downplay the talent is silly. They had talent. Might not have been the best in the world but talent was there.
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