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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Teauxler
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:48 pm
For the true football gurus ... Some OC's are in the box and some on the sideline. What are the pros and cons of each ?
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:49 pm to
On the field - Get to directly communicate with players and what not. Especially with the QB.

In the box - get the birds eye view and can see things that you won't be able to see on the field. Plays developing, defensive shifts, personnel subs, etc.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Mr.Perfect
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:54 pm to
Yea. If you have a competent assistant, you should be on the field
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:55 pm to
That and he can high five players on the field like Lane Kiffin.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 12:59 pm to
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Yea. If you have a competent assistant, you should be on the field


And if you have a competent assistant, you should be in the box. It goes both ways.

I want my DC on the field though. Attitude has a lot to do with defense and think that's why DC should be on the field. But I completely understand why an OC would prefer to be in the box than on the field.

I don't really care though and think some people put too much emphasis on this with Cameron. If the OC wants to be in the box, go ahead. If he wants to be on the field, go ahead. Personal preference and I can see the benefits of both.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:01 pm to
Good breakdown. I'll just piggyback off your post a bit, if you don't mind.

quote:

On the field - Get to directly communicate with players and what not. Especially with the QB.


This is what needs to happen with young, inexperienced personnel especially at the quarterback position. Cam should have been on the sidelines since last year.

quote:

In the box - get the birds eye view and can see things that you won't be able to see on the field. Plays developing, defensive shifts, personnel subs, etc.


A coordinator can take advantage of this when he has more a veteran group of players & trusted assistants on the sidelines.
Posted by Old Money
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:02 pm to
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A coordinator can take advantage of this when he has more a veteran group of players & trusted assistants on the sidelines.

like Chavis did at LSU
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:04 pm to
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I don't really care though and think some people put too much emphasis on this with Cameron. If the OC wants to be in the box, go ahead. If he wants to be on the field, go ahead. Personal preference and I can see the benefits of both.


The thing is, Cam has always been a sideline coordinator up until he came to LSU. ALWAYS. Why the change now? It was so that Miles could intercept play calls before they hit the field. Miles would face more blow back if Cam was on the sidelines. Miles knew what he was doing by putting Cam in the booth.



This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:07 pm to
Def could be true.

And if a head coach wants his OC on the field, he will be on the field. If he wants them in the box, he will be in the box.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:20 pm to
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For the true football gurus


Depends on the scheme, the OC and the individual situation. First of all - there is even a split in the NFL. Some up, some down. And, in the NFL, the sideline is generally much more tidy and organized. Hell, you have a big college team home game with 100+ players dressed, plus coaches, GAs, training staff, media mixed in - guests - it can be wall to wall, 15 yards deep with people, pads/helmets, fans, training equipment, etc.

A NFL sideline will run about half that, depending on circumstances, so the option is there. If I was an OC in CFB, I'd probably coordinate from the booth - but I would want someone - preferably a former QB (like Ensminger on our current staff) to give me a reality check from the sideline or the QB coach if I'm not wearing that hat, as well. Just to get a little isolated from the chaos and see the alignment and coverages from the bird's eye view.

DC is different - I would probably DC from the sideline and get the offensive package pics sent down to go over between series - defense happens in real time and I want to see it up close and manage the players eye-to-eye, particularly the linebackers.
This post was edited on 11/26/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted by Folsom
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:22 pm to
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Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:23 pm to
You want to know the real reason behind the offensive plays getting in late & the delay of game penalties? Look no further than Miles digging through the play sheet & changing calls as they came from the booth.



Les is an old offensive lineman & line coach. He has no background as a dynamic play caller or developer of quarterbacks yet he stuck his nose in way more than he should have. Cam was teaching Harris to trust what he has learned & trust his eyes on the field. On the other hand, Miles preaches ball security & game management. Those philosophies not only clash but they cause confusion in the head of a young quarterback. That's where we've seen the panicked, confused look from both Jennings & Harris the last two seasons come from. Cam has been playing the ghost chaser while Miles has been playing the role of Casper the friendly ghost.

quote:


LSU offensive coordinator / quarterbacks coach Cam Cameron provided some interesting insight Sunday on how to handle young quarterbacks.

By most accounts, sophomore Brandon Harris has taken the lead in the LSU quarterback race. When it comes to in-game adjustments, you can’t overload a young player and shoot his confidence.

“No. 1 you have to be careful. You have to be careful about planting,” Cameron said. “You're trying to teach a lesson, but you plant too many seeds in a guy's head, and now he starts chasing ghosts. I tell the QBs I'm the ghost chaser. I'm the guy who plays the scenario game. You cover one thing with a young player, and then they fixate on it. Now, they become blind to other things. You have to be smart."


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Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 11/26/15 at 1:35 pm to
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