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Notion that its "all about recruiting"

Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:40 pm
And that we are struggling on the recruiting end is a bunch of crap. First off, these rankings and player evals always overrate guys and miss out on guys. And there is something called coaching and player development, which you could argue is more important than where you finish in recruiting (IMO it is).

Recruiting rankings and average player rating since 2009:
-2009- 1st; .9024
-2010- 8th; .8904
-2011- 8th, .9037
-2012- 14th; .8817
-2013- 6th; .9103
-2014- 2nd; .9049

Average class ranking since 2009: 6.5 in the nation. Going off of class ranking, our best finish in recruiting was in 2009 and our worst was in 2012.

2009 Class
Notable players from 2009: Russell Shepard, Reuban Randle, Craig Loston, Chris Davenport, Chris Faulk, Michael Ford, Sam Montgomery, Mingo, Minter, Brockers, Mo Claiborne, Lamin Barrow, and Bennie Logan.

2012 Class
Notable players from 2012: Kwon, Vadal Alexander, Danielle Hunter, Dwayne Thomas, Lamar Louis, Hawkins, Travin Dural, Debo, Mills, and Jeremy Hill.

A lot of our highly rated players in 2009 were overrated or underperformed and the lesser named and rated recruits were extremely underrated and outperformed their ranking(Mo Claiborne, Barrow, and Logan). While with the 2012 class, I dont think any of those guys were overrated or underperformed and that most of them outperformed their ranking as a recruit. And that the lesser names recruits were def underrated (Hawkins, Dural, Mills, Debo).

These recruiting sites and rankings get a lot wrong. And its impossible to know how a player will develop and what he will be like in 2-3 years. Player development, IMO, is more important than where you finish in recruiting each year. Some of our best players werent highly ranked players and they turned into studs (TM, Alfred Blue, Mo Claiborne, Barrow, Bennie Logan, Dural, Mills, Hawkins, etc.).

And people are sitting here saying that "a top 10 finish isnt good enough anymore".... Really? Really? Miss St average class under Mullen since he got there is 12th in the SEC. 12 out of 14. The only schools he recruited better than are Kentucky and Vandy. And they just went 10-2 in the regular season and 6-2 in SEC play. Hes not getting these big time recruits. But he and his staff are finding these guys that other schools dont want and developing them into very good players.

Its way more than just recruiting. Coaching and player development has more to do with it than what they were ranked coming out of high school. Dont be a star gazer and think that a player will only be as good as what his high school ranking is. Because once they get in college, those stars and rankings dont matter at all. And I have faith in our staff to develop these guys into good football players, regardless of their rating out of high school. And that includes Brandon Harris as our QB for the next few years.... (I hope)
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:41 pm to
What's your point?
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158722 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:41 pm to
BUT WE GOT O!!!!!
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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15169 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:42 pm to
Got some stream of consciousness ish going on in here.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:44 pm to
That theres a lot more to it than just what some 17year old kid was rated out of high school
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53730 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Average class ranking since 2009: 6.5 in the nation

Not good enough when the only team that you have to beat to get anywhere has #1 class year after year.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14392 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:47 pm to
Actually I'm more concerned with player development vs recruiting.

I'll also add game planning and adjustments.
This post was edited on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28499 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm to
LSU's problem is getting decent/good players to come back for thier senior year. And, managing the QB position better. We never should only have 2 scholly QBs and rely on RsFR and true FR to lead an offense.

in my mind, it goes Talent > Experience > Development > Scheme > Luck

Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:48 pm to
Bama has lost to Ole Miss, Auburn, and TAMU these last few years.

And they have finished ahead of all of them in recruiting. And still lost.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:49 pm to
You do realize that the two coaches that are no longer on the staff have a total of one commitment (1 DE) from the DL and LB positions? LSU needed new blood on the recruiting trail.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Not good enough when the only team that you have to beat to get anywhere has #1 class year after year.


this x the 100th power
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73451 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to
Your attempt to restart the melt has failed.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61749 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

Notion that its "all about recruiting"


If this were true, Dale Brown would have multiple national titles.
Posted by agdoctor
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2004
3142 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:52 pm to
It's not the class ranking it's getting the best players to fit your needs when you need them. You have to have a several year plan for this to work. Our D line coach on the field is a big upgrade.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

Your attempt to restart the melt has failed.


Read the last sentance.... I have faith in our staff to recruit well and to develop them into good players.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:54 pm to
Having great players doesn't mean you'll win a championship but you will never win one without them.....Bobby Bowden

Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:55 pm to
Yes... and great college players arent always highly rated prospects or big time recruits.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24263 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:57 pm to
Recruiting is not just bringing in the highest rated guys, but having a great eye for talent and offering guys that become really successful even though everybody didn't want them. Honey Badger was a great example of that because he was a 3-star recruit and got no offers from big schools except LSU. Recruiting is crucial. You can fix things easier if you're recruits are awesome.

However, if you hire a coach like Lou Tepper that runs a terrible scheme, it can kill you even with great talent. DiNardo was a very good recruiter, but the Tepper hire made us look like we didn't have any talent. We got it turned around fast as soon as we switched coaches because we had so much talent. So both aspects are important. But when recruiting drops off, that's when it is the hardest to recover.
Posted by lsu mike
Gonzales
Member since Sep 2006
8580 posts
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

Actually I'm more concerned with player development vs recruiting.

I'll also add game planning and adjustments.


this a million times over
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